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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 7037866" data-source="post: 9516768"><p>Just because casters do it via magic doesn't make it good design to do it to the Rogue and Expertise for other martials.</p><p></p><p>Two wrongs don't make a right, right? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>I'd rather Rangers have advantage on skill checks. It is hard to get without magic or Help, and since Rangers typically "work alone" when scouting or whatever, thematically it makes more sense IMO. Also, allowing them to have it in any ability check in favored terrain is very thematic and a strong feature to my mind.</p><p></p><p></p><p>They can already do that and don't need Expertise to be effective at it. Sure, without magic they might not be as good as the Rogue, but they are still pretty good IME without it. They never got it in 2014, and Rangers stealthed very well without it IME.</p><p></p><p>People complain about taking away toys from this class or that class, and IMO Expertise belongs to the Rogue. In such cases as Weapon Masteries for Casters, Rangers who want Expertise even in 2014 can gain it either by multiclassing or a feat. It hardly needs to be a core feature for the class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest 7037866, post: 9516768"] Just because casters do it via magic doesn't make it good design to do it to the Rogue and Expertise for other martials. Two wrongs don't make a right, right? ;) I'd rather Rangers have advantage on skill checks. It is hard to get without magic or Help, and since Rangers typically "work alone" when scouting or whatever, thematically it makes more sense IMO. Also, allowing them to have it in any ability check in favored terrain is very thematic and a strong feature to my mind. They can already do that and don't need Expertise to be effective at it. Sure, without magic they might not be as good as the Rogue, but they are still pretty good IME without it. They never got it in 2014, and Rangers stealthed very well without it IME. People complain about taking away toys from this class or that class, and IMO Expertise belongs to the Rogue. In such cases as Weapon Masteries for Casters, Rangers who want Expertise even in 2014 can gain it either by multiclassing or a feat. It hardly needs to be a core feature for the class. [/QUOTE]
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