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<blockquote data-quote="Majin" data-source="post: 1843632" data-attributes="member: 13265"><p>First of all, I'd like to thank everyone for their input, and I think Verbatim hit the nail on the head with his take on how he understands the situation. Forgive me if the rest of this post seems jumbled but it will most likely be in a few very large paragraphs trying to answer just about every concern that was raised, while calling on some other things that were said to help get my thoughts on the table. </p><p></p><p>On the topic of the sword displaying it's superiority, this can be seen in two ways. First off the sword may seem to come off as superior because frankly it is superior. It has lived a much longer life than Teleri, has seen more battles and gained more battle experience, as well as wisdom. If you want to look at it in OoC game terms, Dror progressed to a much higher "level" than Teleri has up to this point before being imbued in the sword. At the end of the day, when all is said and done, the simple fact of the matter is, that the sword has the power to take complete control over her if it wishes to do so. That is not a threat, it's just a simple fact. This would also, I should point out, mean that if Teleri would want to throw the sword away, if the sword did not want her to do that, it could stop her. Now the second way to look at it, is that the sword is not going out of its way to act superior, it's simply that way by nature. The person imbued within the sword was royalty, and with royalty normally comes some sense of stature among others. Now everyone's personality is going to be different and they will handle it differently. This is simply the personality I have chosen for the sword, and Teleri will just have to learn to live with it. I must stress though, that Teleri may not always get nothing but grief from this sword. That actually is completely up to her in the way she acts. I have predetermined certain things the sword will be looking for in the way Teleri carries herself, and so far the sword has not seen much improvement, and until it does, Teleri cannot expect better treatment just because she wants to be friends with the sword, and thinks that should be enough to cause the sword to be nice to her from that point on. That's too "easy", and is not going to happen. </p><p></p><p>I'll point to what Verbatim said in his post, about this being an incredible RPing chance for Kirinke's character, which it is. It seems to me that Kirinke herself is showing signs of being impatient, not the sword. Although we are playing in a fantasy setting, things are not going to have fairytale storybook endings. Things such as this conflict with the sword will not be wrapped up and all better in a "sitcom half-hour," is what I'm basically getting at. This is just the impression that I get from Teleri's enthusiasm to get the sword to "be friends" so fast. </p><p></p><p>One of the points that Kirinke brought up was asking the question "Wouldn't you feel pissed at this kind of behavior" (Paraphrased) My answer to that in this circumstance is that yes I might feel pissed about it, but what are you gonna do when confronted with something that powerful? It may be stretching it a little bit, but let's say you're confronted by an ancient red dragon who insults your mother to your face. Now remember you're currently level 4. Are you going to back-talk to it? I'll get started looking up your next of kin if your answer is yes.... I'm reminded of an old addage in D&D that has something to do with the difference of being "Lawful Good" and "Lawful Stupid." I'll let you draw your own conclusions.</p><p></p><p>Now the main problem right now is how do we proceed with the relationship between the sword and Teleri? In all honesty I don't think this dream-quest thing would work out in this case. I'll agree it's a viable option in most cases, but you have to remember, Teleri is dealing with a stubborn dwarf here. Dwarve's are not big on sitting down and talking about their feelings and trying to work it out that way. Whether a goddess intervenes (which I am not too keen on that idea) and shows them their differences or not, any true dwarf is going to respect action over words any day. </p><p></p><p>So my advice for Teleri, is instead of trying to get the sword to understand where she's coming from, show it she's making an effort to change. Regardless of what she thinks she has done to change, the criteria I have set for the sword and how it scrutinizes her actions and judges her by, are far from being abated right now. </p><p></p><p>Here is something important to remember, I'm going to give it it's own line in the hopes that it will sink in for Kirinke. </p><p></p><p>*<em>Read this 10 times!</em>***Do not expect change overnight!***<em>Read it 10 more times!</em>*</p><p></p><p>If all else fails and one day you're thinking that the sword isn't being nice enough to you please go back and read the above Kirinke. This whole conflict with the sword is a chance that you're getting that not many players ever get the chance to experience. Verbatim has clearly expressed this. In all seriousness, don't F<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />K it up. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Majin, post: 1843632, member: 13265"] First of all, I'd like to thank everyone for their input, and I think Verbatim hit the nail on the head with his take on how he understands the situation. Forgive me if the rest of this post seems jumbled but it will most likely be in a few very large paragraphs trying to answer just about every concern that was raised, while calling on some other things that were said to help get my thoughts on the table. On the topic of the sword displaying it's superiority, this can be seen in two ways. First off the sword may seem to come off as superior because frankly it is superior. It has lived a much longer life than Teleri, has seen more battles and gained more battle experience, as well as wisdom. If you want to look at it in OoC game terms, Dror progressed to a much higher "level" than Teleri has up to this point before being imbued in the sword. At the end of the day, when all is said and done, the simple fact of the matter is, that the sword has the power to take complete control over her if it wishes to do so. That is not a threat, it's just a simple fact. This would also, I should point out, mean that if Teleri would want to throw the sword away, if the sword did not want her to do that, it could stop her. Now the second way to look at it, is that the sword is not going out of its way to act superior, it's simply that way by nature. The person imbued within the sword was royalty, and with royalty normally comes some sense of stature among others. Now everyone's personality is going to be different and they will handle it differently. This is simply the personality I have chosen for the sword, and Teleri will just have to learn to live with it. I must stress though, that Teleri may not always get nothing but grief from this sword. That actually is completely up to her in the way she acts. I have predetermined certain things the sword will be looking for in the way Teleri carries herself, and so far the sword has not seen much improvement, and until it does, Teleri cannot expect better treatment just because she wants to be friends with the sword, and thinks that should be enough to cause the sword to be nice to her from that point on. That's too "easy", and is not going to happen. I'll point to what Verbatim said in his post, about this being an incredible RPing chance for Kirinke's character, which it is. It seems to me that Kirinke herself is showing signs of being impatient, not the sword. Although we are playing in a fantasy setting, things are not going to have fairytale storybook endings. Things such as this conflict with the sword will not be wrapped up and all better in a "sitcom half-hour," is what I'm basically getting at. This is just the impression that I get from Teleri's enthusiasm to get the sword to "be friends" so fast. One of the points that Kirinke brought up was asking the question "Wouldn't you feel pissed at this kind of behavior" (Paraphrased) My answer to that in this circumstance is that yes I might feel pissed about it, but what are you gonna do when confronted with something that powerful? It may be stretching it a little bit, but let's say you're confronted by an ancient red dragon who insults your mother to your face. Now remember you're currently level 4. Are you going to back-talk to it? I'll get started looking up your next of kin if your answer is yes.... I'm reminded of an old addage in D&D that has something to do with the difference of being "Lawful Good" and "Lawful Stupid." I'll let you draw your own conclusions. Now the main problem right now is how do we proceed with the relationship between the sword and Teleri? In all honesty I don't think this dream-quest thing would work out in this case. I'll agree it's a viable option in most cases, but you have to remember, Teleri is dealing with a stubborn dwarf here. Dwarve's are not big on sitting down and talking about their feelings and trying to work it out that way. Whether a goddess intervenes (which I am not too keen on that idea) and shows them their differences or not, any true dwarf is going to respect action over words any day. So my advice for Teleri, is instead of trying to get the sword to understand where she's coming from, show it she's making an effort to change. Regardless of what she thinks she has done to change, the criteria I have set for the sword and how it scrutinizes her actions and judges her by, are far from being abated right now. Here is something important to remember, I'm going to give it it's own line in the hopes that it will sink in for Kirinke. *[i]Read this 10 times![/i]***Do not expect change overnight!***[i]Read it 10 more times![/i]* If all else fails and one day you're thinking that the sword isn't being nice enough to you please go back and read the above Kirinke. This whole conflict with the sword is a chance that you're getting that not many players ever get the chance to experience. Verbatim has clearly expressed this. In all seriousness, don't F:):)K it up. :heh: [/QUOTE]
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