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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 2324253" data-attributes="member: 1656">It's not statistically identical.&nbsp; For example, a lance can be wielded in one hand by a mounted character; a longspear can't.&nbsp; A longspear is a simple weapon; a lance is a martial weapon.&nbsp; A lance deals double damage on a mounted charge; a longspear doesn't.&nbsp; A longspear deals double damage when set against a charge; a lance doesn't.&nbsp; A lance weighs 10lb; a longspear weighs 9lb.You can't just chop and change and say &quot;This weapon is kinda a longspear and kinda a lance&quot;.&nbsp; It's one or the other.There are rules for improvised weapons.&nbsp; They do not include gaining special properties of other weapons.&nbsp; Damage.&nbsp; Size category.&nbsp; Threat range and critical multiplier.&nbsp; Range increment.&nbsp; Not special properties.No, you're not.&nbsp; You're using it as a longspear (or whatever) that's dealing non-lethal damage.&nbsp; It retains its 20/x3 critical, which an improvised weapon does not.&nbsp; It still deals double damage set vs a charge, which an improvised sap does not.&nbsp; It still has reach, which an improvised sap does not.The longspear still functions as a longspear in every way except dealing non-lethal damage, with a -4 attack penalty.&nbsp; Not like a sap.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 2324253, member: 1656"] It's not statistically identical. For example, a lance can be wielded in one hand by a mounted character; a longspear can't. A longspear is a simple weapon; a lance is a martial weapon. A lance deals double damage on a mounted charge; a longspear doesn't. A longspear deals double damage when set against a charge; a lance doesn't. A lance weighs 10lb; a longspear weighs 9lb. You can't just chop and change and say "This weapon is kinda a longspear and kinda a lance". It's one or the other. There are rules for improvised weapons. They do not include gaining special properties of other weapons. Damage. Size category. Threat range and critical multiplier. Range increment. Not special properties. No, you're not. You're using it as a longspear (or whatever) that's dealing non-lethal damage. It retains its 20/x3 critical, which an improvised weapon does not. It still deals double damage set vs a charge, which an improvised sap does not. It still has reach, which an improvised sap does not. The longspear still functions as a longspear in every way [i]except[/i] dealing non-lethal damage, with a -4 attack penalty. Not like a sap. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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