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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Storyteller01" data-source="post: 2324335" data-attributes="member: 20931">Not so. Any weapon, with a -4 penalty, can be used to do non-lethal damage (my original point; sorry 'bout the mix-up). You don't have to call it a sap to gain this ability. It isn't under 'improvised', but it follows the same rules mechanically. I wouldn't focus on this so much if paladins (or their churches) didn't pay thousands of gold to make a magic weapon do subdual damage (sooo many magic weapons designed to bring in opponents alive).And agian, there's nothing in the rules against using one weapon as another improvised weapon (again with the subdual; your using a weapon for a purpose it wasn't designed [ruled] for.).And a long spear is a two handed reach weapon with a 1d8 damage. I believe it has the same crit range. looks awful similar to me, by the RAW <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />...But I digress...Considering that there are cultures that use spears in the same manner as lances (maybe not as specialized, but there is evidence...), we may want to look at this as a mounted charge snafu, and not just a situation only pertaining to the lance.</blockquote>