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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8963486" data-attributes="member: 6788736">I agree and I said as much above. I'm not sure I can place her 'evil' (depriving Ellie of making a choice that she would almost certainly have made herself&nbsp; anyway, and killing Ellie, in order to save humanity) on the same scale as Joels (depriving Ellie of making the sacrifice she would have made, instead saving her life, and in the process engaging in mass cold blooded murder via a mass shooting spree, and potentially dooming millions to an agonizing death).In RPG terms, Marleene is a Good aligned hero who makes a single probably Evil choice to deprive Ellie of her agency in order to save humanity, whereas Joel is an Evilly aligned Hero, who genuinely cares deeply about Ellie, and yet is prepared to lie to her, also deprive her of her agency, murder scores of people, and potentially doom all of humanity for ultimately selfish reasons.&nbsp;They moved all the medical supplies to that one central location and had been preparing for some time. I'm sure they could have synthesized a lot of what they needed. I mean, they had electricity, so UV sterilization and refrigeration were still things as was all the equipment in the hospital.Im not saying they are squeaky clean. But on a scale of moral culpability, they are not approaching 'engage in a mass shooting and potentially lock humanity to the Zombie apocalypse in perpetuity dooming millions' levels of moral culpability, are they?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8963486, member: 6788736"] I agree and I said as much above. I'm not sure I can place her 'evil' (depriving Ellie of making a choice that she would almost certainly have made herself anyway, and killing Ellie, in order to save humanity) on the same scale as Joels (depriving Ellie of making the sacrifice she would have made, instead saving her life, and in the process engaging in mass cold blooded murder via a mass shooting spree, and potentially dooming millions to an agonizing death). In RPG terms, Marleene is a Good aligned hero who makes a single probably Evil choice to deprive Ellie of her agency in order to save humanity, whereas Joel is an Evilly aligned Hero, who genuinely cares deeply about Ellie, and yet is prepared to lie to her, also deprive her of her agency, murder scores of people, and potentially doom all of humanity for ultimately selfish reasons. They moved all the medical supplies to that one central location and had been preparing for some time. I'm sure they could have synthesized a lot of what they needed. I mean, they had electricity, so UV sterilization and refrigeration were still things as was all the equipment in the hospital. Im not saying they are squeaky clean. But on a scale of moral culpability, they are not approaching 'engage in a mass shooting and potentially lock humanity to the Zombie apocalypse in perpetuity dooming millions' levels of moral culpability, are they? [/QUOTE]

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