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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8964007" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>Glad you're not leading the Avengers.</p><p></p><p>'Why bother stopping Thanos? I mean; something else will eventually just come along that kills everyone anyway'.</p><p></p><p></p><p>He does come out worse than them because he engaged in a cold-blooded massacre, while potentially dooming all of humanity to a horrible fate.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Joel asked her this question in this exact episode.</p><p></p><p><strong><em>Joel</em></strong><em>: "We don't have to do this (get to the Fireflies and see if you're the cure/ a vaccine),"</em></p><p></p><p><strong><em>Ellie</em></strong><em>: "After everything we've been through. After all I've done... "There's no halfway with this. We finish what we started," </em></p><p></p><p>In addition, when Marlene tells Joel 'This is what she would have wanted' Joel himself seems to silently agree with her, which leads to him finally deciding to shoot her dead (ending a moment of hesitation, where he considered changing his mind about what he was doing).</p><p></p><p>Finally in the game (Part 2) Ellie herself says [SPOILER="Spoiler"]she would have sacrificed herself,[/SPOILER] but obviously that's not known to anyone at the moment in the show.</p><p></p><p>While no-one 'knew' for certain, and no-one bothered to ask Ellie, everyone correctly surmised that Ellie would have given her life for the vaccine,<em> even Joel.</em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, again that was not his choice. His choice was 'Do I murder these people, AND save the life of the girl I love, potentially dooming the entire Human race in the process'.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah. He's an Evilly aligned protagonist, who has routinely engaged (and is deliberately depicted engaging) in torture and multiple cold-blooded murders.</p><p></p><p>He loves Ellie. But it's a selfish love, and ultimately a selfish decision he makes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8964007, member: 6788736"] Glad you're not leading the Avengers. 'Why bother stopping Thanos? I mean; something else will eventually just come along that kills everyone anyway'. He does come out worse than them because he engaged in a cold-blooded massacre, while potentially dooming all of humanity to a horrible fate. Joel asked her this question in this exact episode. [B][I]Joel[/I][/B][I]: "We don't have to do this (get to the Fireflies and see if you're the cure/ a vaccine),"[/I] [B][I]Ellie[/I][/B][I]: "After everything we've been through. After all I've done... "There's no halfway with this. We finish what we started," [/I] In addition, when Marlene tells Joel 'This is what she would have wanted' Joel himself seems to silently agree with her, which leads to him finally deciding to shoot her dead (ending a moment of hesitation, where he considered changing his mind about what he was doing). Finally in the game (Part 2) Ellie herself says [SPOILER="Spoiler"]she would have sacrificed herself,[/SPOILER] but obviously that's not known to anyone at the moment in the show. While no-one 'knew' for certain, and no-one bothered to ask Ellie, everyone correctly surmised that Ellie would have given her life for the vaccine,[I] even Joel.[/I] No, again that was not his choice. His choice was 'Do I murder these people, AND save the life of the girl I love, potentially dooming the entire Human race in the process'. Yeah. He's an Evilly aligned protagonist, who has routinely engaged (and is deliberately depicted engaging) in torture and multiple cold-blooded murders. He loves Ellie. But it's a selfish love, and ultimately a selfish decision he makes. [/QUOTE]
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