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<blockquote data-quote="TiQuinn" data-source="post: 9664380" data-attributes="member: 4871">So, a couple of thoughts on this: it’s not like the Fireflies were upfront about their intentions. They were fully prepared to do the operation by force, and if I remember correctly, they took both Joel and Ellie captive first, and only informed Joel that it would kill her. It’s not even like they gave Ellie the choice - it was just “this is happening.”Joel wasn’t simply rampaging through the hospital like a maniac, no matter how much Abby wants to perceive her dear old Dad’s killer that way.Second, clearly the loss of his daughter impacted him, and possibly made it emotionally impossible to simply let Ellie die, particularly under duress. And yeah, as pointed out, I seem to recall that this was to give them a chance at a cure - it wasn’t a guarantee.So yeah, I get why the Fireflies did what they did, but I also get why Joel did what he did too. There’s a third aspect too - could a cure simply undo all that damage? As we’ve seen with pretty much every apocalyptic movie, it’s never the zombie or virus that’s the biggest threat; it’s still mankind. Society disintegrated and turned into a bunch of warlords again. Even with a cure - do those people give up power and let the world go back the way it was? Has Joel simply seen too much pain and suffering to believe that the world comes back from the brink? I think there’s a pretty strong case that no, it’s still gonna be the apocalypse, cure or no.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TiQuinn, post: 9664380, member: 4871"] So, a couple of thoughts on this: it’s not like the Fireflies were upfront about their intentions. They were fully prepared to do the operation by force, and if I remember correctly, they took both Joel and Ellie captive first, and only informed Joel that it would kill her. It’s not even like they gave Ellie the choice - it was just “this is happening.”Joel wasn’t simply rampaging through the hospital like a maniac, no matter how much Abby wants to perceive her dear old Dad’s killer that way. Second, clearly the loss of his daughter impacted him, and possibly made it emotionally impossible to simply let Ellie die, particularly under duress. And yeah, as pointed out, I seem to recall that this was to give them a chance at a cure - it wasn’t a guarantee. So yeah, I get why the Fireflies did what they did, but I also get why Joel did what he did too. There’s a third aspect too - could a cure simply undo all that damage? As we’ve seen with pretty much every apocalyptic movie, it’s never the zombie or virus that’s the biggest threat; it’s still mankind. Society disintegrated and turned into a bunch of warlords again. Even with a cure - do those people give up power and let the world go back the way it was? Has Joel simply seen too much pain and suffering to believe that the world comes back from the brink? I think there’s a pretty strong case that no, it’s still gonna be the apocalypse, cure or no. [/QUOTE]

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