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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6732201" data-attributes="member: 22779">Except that animals are rarely chaotic.&nbsp; There are many, many herd and pack animals with strong social dynamics that are understood by the pack.&nbsp; If animals were truly chaotic, then different groups of the same type of animals (say two wolf packs) would behave entirely differently.&nbsp; But, they don't.&nbsp; They're actually quite predictable and react and act in logical, rarely whimsical, manners.&nbsp; In a chaotic group, it's every being for his or herself.&nbsp; Doesn't make sense to protect someone else's children when you're Chaotic.&nbsp; Yet, herd animals will protect all the young as a group.Granted, animals don't intentionally pursue order either.&nbsp; So, effectively, neutral (or better yet, unaligned) is the best model here.I'd agree except that in play, this is rarely the case.&nbsp; I haven't read the new Rage of Demons module, but, the last time I saw Demogorgon was Savage Tides where you had old Demo setting up this years long plan to split himself in two and kill the other half of himself.&nbsp; Demogorgon, really, did fit with what I saw as a demon.&nbsp; But, Malcanthet was a devil, pure and simple.&nbsp; Nothing demonic about her at all.&nbsp; And, that's ignoring characters like Grazz't and Orcus.&nbsp; I want my demons to be engines of destruction.&nbsp; But, they've rarely been presented as such.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6732201, member: 22779"] Except that animals are rarely chaotic. There are many, many herd and pack animals with strong social dynamics that are understood by the pack. If animals were truly chaotic, then different groups of the same type of animals (say two wolf packs) would behave entirely differently. But, they don't. They're actually quite predictable and react and act in logical, rarely whimsical, manners. In a chaotic group, it's every being for his or herself. Doesn't make sense to protect someone else's children when you're Chaotic. Yet, herd animals will protect all the young as a group. Granted, animals don't intentionally pursue order either. So, effectively, neutral (or better yet, unaligned) is the best model here. I'd agree except that in play, this is rarely the case. I haven't read the new Rage of Demons module, but, the last time I saw Demogorgon was Savage Tides where you had old Demo setting up this years long plan to split himself in two and kill the other half of himself. Demogorgon, really, did fit with what I saw as a demon. But, Malcanthet was a devil, pure and simple. Nothing demonic about her at all. And, that's ignoring characters like Grazz't and Orcus. I want my demons to be engines of destruction. But, they've rarely been presented as such. [/QUOTE]

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