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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6733484" data-attributes="member: 42582">It seems to me that the quote is a statement of LG creed. The CG don't object to it because they are hostile to peace, protecting the poor, etc; they object because they think that, in fact, the law cannot do the things promised in this statement. They think that the best way to protect the poor, ensure peace, etc is to have freedom rather than social structure.The LE, on the other hand, have no interest in protecting the poor or ensuring peace. To the extent that they are interested in law and social structures, it's because they agree with the CG: those sorts of social arrangements are a yoke. But whereas the CG (being good) don't want people to be yoked in that way; the LE (being evil) want to impose their yoke upon the world.In the system that Gygax sets out in his AD&D books, Darth Vader's alignment is determined by thinking about his attitude towards social organisation, and his reason for that attitude. Knowing only the six films, it seems to me that Darth is relatively indifferent to social organisation - he participates in it, but doesn't seem to regard it as essential for achieving what he wants - and he seems to recognise no limit upon his will other than his own desires and self-interest. To me that suggests NE.If someone interpreted the films and the character in a different way - and reasonable people can certainly do that - they might reach a different conclusion. I think it would be hard to say that he's CE, because he doesn't actively chafe at working with a group. If someone takes the view that his relationship to the Empire is tighter than I've suggested, though, then they might think he is LE.In these discussion of fictional characters, I think it's important to distinguish differences in alignment methodology, and differences of literary/cinematic interpretation.</blockquote>

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