The Le Products- Balanced?

[Talgian]

Hey everyone, I'm wondering about how balanced the The Le line of Unorthodox products are with 3.5. I allow most completes, races, psionics, and eberron, and PH2 in the game, and I'm thinking about adding the Unorthodox for more options. For people who have used it in games, does it gel well?

-Talgian

 

[Rystil Arden]

Speaking from reading Unorthodox Clerics, all of the ideas in it are interesting, but I felt that some of the classes seriously lacked balance. The Inquisitor, in particular, can disallow both saving throws and SR on spells, which is not a fair ability at all.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Yes, they're pretty well balanced. That is, about as well as WotC's supplemental series -- they bring in a lot of cool material, which does up the power level a bit, but nothing earthshattering.

 

[Kunimatyu]

Speaking from reading Unorthodox Clerics, all of the ideas in it are interesting, but I felt that some of the classes seriously lacked balance. The Inquisitor, in particular, can disallow both saving throws and SR on spells, which is not a fair ability at all.

Disallow...saving throws? Whaaat?

 

[Rystil Arden]

Disallow...saving throws? Whaaat?

That's what I said when I saw it--actually, that's what my little brother said when he was reading some of my PDFs before I did, and I said "Ha, you're reading it wrong." He wasn't. I can't speak to any of the other Unorthodox PDFs, but as for Clerics, each of the different concepts for a cleric was an excellent idea for a cleric with ability switching for a slightly different theme, and they generally did take something away from the cleric to make up for additional powers, but in most cases, the additional powers were somewhat overpowered, and in the case of the Inquisitor, it has a WTF ability. It's really unfortunate, as with a bit more balance, the book could have been a really rich resource for variant clerics, and it still is if you are willing to go through the time to tweak them until they are balanced. However, any GM canny enough to tweak them could probably just build their own variants from scratch by looking at the Cleric and the concept behind each variant if they spent a little bit more time than that. So in summary, I would say it's a really neat product if you get it for free, but I wouldn't pay for it.

 

[Hussar]

I have found TheLe's stuff to work pretty well. I've used a numbero f the magic items from various books and never had a problem. The class stuff I am less familiar with, but, I know the Spider Ranger looked very good. Never saw it in play though.