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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6667418" data-attributes="member: 996">Yep, the fighter has more arechetypes to cover than any other class, and less to do it with.  Arguably, the majority of heroic characters from fantasy, myth & legend, don't cast spells or have a lot of other supernatural abilities.  5e handles them with the Berserker (pretty specific), Rogue (the less prevalent 'trickster' sort of hero), or Fighter.D&D has two fighter archetypes, the hard-hitting Champion, and slightly nuanced hard-hitting Battlemaster, to cover all of them, with a lot of attacks/round, Second Wind, a handful of minor class features, and 18 maneuvers to try to cover all of 'em.   So, yeah, necessarily pretty generic.   Not a steady increase, by any stretch of the imagination, though.  The 3e fighter got 11 bonus feats from a list of a few dozen, the 4e fighter 16 or so exploits from a list of ~400. In 5e one of the three Fighter archetypes gets to pick 6 maneuvers from a list of about 18.  One of the other archetypes is prettymuch "I attack, I deal damage," and the third literally casts spells.  Unless something changes:"Fighters are only good in combat, where they multi-attack for lots of damage."The self-healing thing is pretty trivial.  Fighers do big DPR with multiple attacks, Champions add to that with crits, Battlemasters with CS dice, EKs, indirectly, with spells.  The 5e fighter is a solidly-traditional-D&D DPR machine, in the mold of the 2e double-specialized fighter.  It's really the 2e fighter's legacy we're talking about:Specialization - > combat style, featsMultiple attacks - > multiple attacks, action surgenon-weapon proficiencies - >  skill/tool proficienciesKits - > Backgroundsd10 HD, full CON bonus - > d10 HD, Second WindSaves on a '2' at high level -> indomitableExclusive use of class-specific magic items - > optimal use of magic weapons that inflict extra damageI suppose if the 5e fighter has added anything to the fighter's collective legacy, it's the spellcasting EK as a sub-class.  But that's a stretch, since we had spell-casting "fighter sub-classes" (albeit, in a different sense) in AD&D and the EK first appeared in 3e.</blockquote>

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