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<blockquote data-quote="Ashkelon" data-source="post: 6668008" data-attributes="member: 6774887">Yep. The lack of mobility is a huge problem for all STR based warriors at mid to high levels. Plinking away with your longbow or javelin won't really matter all that much in the big scheme of things. The fighter is better off dashing to reach his for 1 round earlier than wasting his action shooting a bow.At least the paladin and barbarian can mitigate some of their poor mobility (and eagle totem barbarians are actually quite mobile). The poor fighter has no means of overcoming his lack of mobility. &nbsp;didn't I just show you that a 14 DEX fighter still only dealt 7.4 DPR with a bow? That is basically a non-contribution. The fighter would be better off using his action to move into melee range if at all possible. What do you consider average DEX? Getting a 14 isn't easy to swallow when the class gains so little benefit from it. And saying you have to have a 14 DEX to play a strength based fighter seems oddly limiting. I chose champion for the same reason that I didn't have the paladin cast spells; for ease of comparison. The BM be slightly better at ranged combat due to his maneuvers, but then a hunter ranger would be better still due to hunter's mark and colossus slayer. A paladin would be better due to things like Channel Divinity, Haste, or Hunters Mark. And so on. It is easier to compare a champion fighter to a paladin/barbarian/ranger with no subclass and no spell use so you can truly see how similar they are in terms of &quot;reliable&quot; capabilities.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashkelon, post: 6668008, member: 6774887"] Yep. The lack of mobility is a huge problem for all STR based warriors at mid to high levels. Plinking away with your longbow or javelin won't really matter all that much in the big scheme of things. The fighter is better off dashing to reach his for 1 round earlier than wasting his action shooting a bow. At least the paladin and barbarian can mitigate some of their poor mobility (and eagle totem barbarians are actually quite mobile). The poor fighter has no means of overcoming his lack of mobility. didn't I just show you that a 14 DEX fighter still only dealt 7.4 DPR with a bow? That is basically a non-contribution. The fighter would be better off using his action to move into melee range if at all possible. What do you consider average DEX? Getting a 14 isn't easy to swallow when the class gains so little benefit from it. And saying you have to have a 14 DEX to play a strength based fighter seems oddly limiting. I chose champion for the same reason that I didn't have the paladin cast spells; for ease of comparison. The BM be slightly better at ranged combat due to his maneuvers, but then a hunter ranger would be better still due to hunter's mark and colossus slayer. A paladin would be better due to things like Channel Divinity, Haste, or Hunters Mark. And so on. It is easier to compare a champion fighter to a paladin/barbarian/ranger with no subclass and no spell use so you can truly see how similar they are in terms of "reliable" capabilities. [/QUOTE]

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