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<blockquote data-quote="Ashkelon" data-source="post: 6668112" data-attributes="member: 6774887"><p>Lol! Thanks for proving basically every point I have made in this thread. </p><p></p><p>First off, many of the heroes you mention there have significant capabilities both in and out of combat. Far more than what the 5e fighter gets. </p><p></p><p>Secondly, many of the warriors can perform superhuman feats of strength, skill, and endurance. Similar to the type of abilities I proposed as "talents" for the mythic warrior. Some of the heroes you mentioned can actually accomplish tasks well beyond the scope of anything I suggested as well. </p><p></p><p>Third, some of the more "mundane" heroes you mention would be to go to defeat a T-Rex, let alone something like a dragon. The heroes who can defeat it all possess superhuman levels of speed, skill, strength, and endurance. The 5e fighter lacks all of those qualities, even at high levels, yet is still expected to fight monsters like Storm Giants and Ancient Dragons. </p><p></p><p>You somehow find it perfectly believable that a "mundane" warrior could go toe to toe with a fire breathing reptile twice as big as a T-Rex, but being able to jump 2x as far as normal or being able to lift 4x as much as normal is completely unbelievable. </p><p></p><p>Like you, I want a martial warrior who can emulate the heroes from myth and legend. At low levels the class could be used to recreate lower level heroes like Gimli or Conan. At mid levels it might be able to replicate mid level heroes like Beowulf or Lancelot. At high levels it would be able to emulate the most fantastic of heroes such as Roland, Gilgamesh, Cuchulain, and the like. The 5e fighter can do the low level heroes just fine. It does a fairly good Gimli for example. But that's it. It doesn't scale up along with the other classes. It's stuck in perpetual mundanity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ashkelon, post: 6668112, member: 6774887"] Lol! Thanks for proving basically every point I have made in this thread. First off, many of the heroes you mention there have significant capabilities both in and out of combat. Far more than what the 5e fighter gets. Secondly, many of the warriors can perform superhuman feats of strength, skill, and endurance. Similar to the type of abilities I proposed as "talents" for the mythic warrior. Some of the heroes you mentioned can actually accomplish tasks well beyond the scope of anything I suggested as well. Third, some of the more "mundane" heroes you mention would be to go to defeat a T-Rex, let alone something like a dragon. The heroes who can defeat it all possess superhuman levels of speed, skill, strength, and endurance. The 5e fighter lacks all of those qualities, even at high levels, yet is still expected to fight monsters like Storm Giants and Ancient Dragons. You somehow find it perfectly believable that a "mundane" warrior could go toe to toe with a fire breathing reptile twice as big as a T-Rex, but being able to jump 2x as far as normal or being able to lift 4x as much as normal is completely unbelievable. Like you, I want a martial warrior who can emulate the heroes from myth and legend. At low levels the class could be used to recreate lower level heroes like Gimli or Conan. At mid levels it might be able to replicate mid level heroes like Beowulf or Lancelot. At high levels it would be able to emulate the most fantastic of heroes such as Roland, Gilgamesh, Cuchulain, and the like. The 5e fighter can do the low level heroes just fine. It does a fairly good Gimli for example. But that's it. It doesn't scale up along with the other classes. It's stuck in perpetual mundanity. [/QUOTE]
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