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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6668373" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>You might want to check your mythologies. Cú Chulainn is the son of Lugh, the god of light. Miyamoto Musashi is of the Fujiwara clan, which intermarried numerous times with the Imperial line, which (historically) claimed direct descent from Amaterasu, so he might or might not be of divine heritage. Karna is the son of Surya, the Hindu sun god. Jason was the great-grandson of Hellen (not to be confused with Helen--this is a dude) and the nymph Orseis (daughter of Oceanus, Zeus, or some river-god I'd never heard of). Hector was of the Trojan royal family, and thus descended from both Dardanus (son of Zeus and Elektra) and from Tros (grandson of Dardanus) who married a daughter of Simoeis, the river-god of the Trojan river-plain.</p><p></p><p>I couldn't track down the lineage of Ragnar, though it would seem at least one of his important ancestors appeared out of nowhere as an infant. Arthur, in his modern depiction, doesn't have any real 'superpowers,' but his old Welsh origins absolutely depict him as interacting with the supernatural on a regular basis and leading a posse of "superhero" warrior-types (check <a href="http://www.arthuriana.co.uk/historicity/arthur.htm" target="_blank">this</a> page, do a search for "superhero"). Plus, his father Uther may even have been a sorcerer--there are tales that suggest he is the origin of one of the "Three Great Enchantments" of Britain, and that originally it was Uther himself who did the transformative magic to trick Igraine (with Merlin being a later, French substitution). Horatius Cocles was generally believed--even in the days of Rome, such as in the writings of Livy--to be either made up, or to be an extremely aggrandized version of whatever actually occurred, because even the people of his day found the story implausible.</p><p></p><p>And much of the rest of your list...isn't actually people from myth or legend. Hannibal? Spartacus? Purely historical figures--or, at least, I've never heard a single "myth" told about them (not in the same way people tell myths about Hercules or Perseus, anyway). Alaric, Yue Fei, and Attila didn't get <em>myths</em> told about them either: they had <em>histories</em> written about them. Roland is sort of an edge case, as he is limitedly present in historical texts, but pretty heavily romanticized.</p><p></p><p>So that's a third of your list that doesn't (or at least might not) meet your own requirements, a few more were seen as beyond the mundane to the people who originally told the stories, 1500-2000 years ago, and another third that don't meet the "myth and legend" bit in the first place.</p><p></p><p>Not that I think that "I can list a bunch of mythical, historical, or mixed mythical-historical people who were awesome and mundane" actually defeats the comment you responded to. "The Fighter should be able to emulate historical warriors" is not in any way incompatible with "the Fighter should be able to emulate many heroic archetypes of history, myth, and legend."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6668373, member: 6790260"] You might want to check your mythologies. Cú Chulainn is the son of Lugh, the god of light. Miyamoto Musashi is of the Fujiwara clan, which intermarried numerous times with the Imperial line, which (historically) claimed direct descent from Amaterasu, so he might or might not be of divine heritage. Karna is the son of Surya, the Hindu sun god. Jason was the great-grandson of Hellen (not to be confused with Helen--this is a dude) and the nymph Orseis (daughter of Oceanus, Zeus, or some river-god I'd never heard of). Hector was of the Trojan royal family, and thus descended from both Dardanus (son of Zeus and Elektra) and from Tros (grandson of Dardanus) who married a daughter of Simoeis, the river-god of the Trojan river-plain. I couldn't track down the lineage of Ragnar, though it would seem at least one of his important ancestors appeared out of nowhere as an infant. Arthur, in his modern depiction, doesn't have any real 'superpowers,' but his old Welsh origins absolutely depict him as interacting with the supernatural on a regular basis and leading a posse of "superhero" warrior-types (check [URL="http://www.arthuriana.co.uk/historicity/arthur.htm"]this[/URL] page, do a search for "superhero"). Plus, his father Uther may even have been a sorcerer--there are tales that suggest he is the origin of one of the "Three Great Enchantments" of Britain, and that originally it was Uther himself who did the transformative magic to trick Igraine (with Merlin being a later, French substitution). Horatius Cocles was generally believed--even in the days of Rome, such as in the writings of Livy--to be either made up, or to be an extremely aggrandized version of whatever actually occurred, because even the people of his day found the story implausible. And much of the rest of your list...isn't actually people from myth or legend. Hannibal? Spartacus? Purely historical figures--or, at least, I've never heard a single "myth" told about them (not in the same way people tell myths about Hercules or Perseus, anyway). Alaric, Yue Fei, and Attila didn't get [I]myths[/I] told about them either: they had [I]histories[/I] written about them. Roland is sort of an edge case, as he is limitedly present in historical texts, but pretty heavily romanticized. So that's a third of your list that doesn't (or at least might not) meet your own requirements, a few more were seen as beyond the mundane to the people who originally told the stories, 1500-2000 years ago, and another third that don't meet the "myth and legend" bit in the first place. Not that I think that "I can list a bunch of mythical, historical, or mixed mythical-historical people who were awesome and mundane" actually defeats the comment you responded to. "The Fighter should be able to emulate historical warriors" is not in any way incompatible with "the Fighter should be able to emulate many heroic archetypes of history, myth, and legend." [/QUOTE]
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