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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6668460" data-attributes="member: 7635">This has more to do with some odd choices in the formula's used to figure out these things than anything. A human fighter has a Strength of 20. By RAW, he can long jump 20 feet and high jump 8 feet. By the records, he's on par with an Olympic High Jump record (8 1/2 ft) but woefully short on long jump (29 1/2 ft), his jump is on par with your average High School Track and Field Student. This isn't a problem created by verisimilitude, this is purely the designers not noticing that their "simple" jump rule doesn't even match mundane records. A fighter with a 20 Strength can lift a small (250 lbs) and not be encumbered. Let that sink in; He can strap a loveseat to his back and still be able to carry a few weapon and a snack and march around. That's GODLIKE Stamina. Sure, lots of World's Strongest guys can deadlift far more weight, but carry it unencumbered? Can you imagine quadruple that? He could carry a telephone pole (1,000 lbs!) with him!Yet he can't run any faster for all his Str and Endurance than a Commoner (30 ft, 60 with dash). There is no correlation between Strength, Constitution and Speed. The best he can do is hope he gets into a chase and then have a higher Con (Dash 3 + Con Mod) to overtake him.So it isn't necessarily that fighter's an't epic on their own, its that the default rules had poor ways of showing it. Fixing the rules rather than epicizing the fighter would go a long way to shoring up some of these problems. However, then you lose the simplicity. Catch 22.</blockquote>

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