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<blockquote data-quote="Mouseferatu" data-source="post: 6846297" data-attributes="member: 1288">I disagree. It's more than just a label. It has a specific meaning, and includes specific places in the world/cosmology.It doesn't feel like a &quot;lich story&quot; at all to me. The fact that Vecna was originally a lich frankly feels tangential to the entire affair. It's just another &quot;stop the big evil from becoming even bigger&quot; plot. And its very multi-planar &quot;playing on the level of gods&quot; nature works against it being an iconic lich story.Note that I'm including the whole series of modules in my answer... I don't feel like it qualifies, in part because of the &quot;god thing&quot; (in that we never actually see Vecna just behaving as a lich, but it's always about divinity), in part because Vecna should never have had anything to do with Ravenloft--he's a bad fit--in part because because various portions of the story violate existing mood and cannon of multiple settings (Ravenloft, Sigil), and in part because it's just frankly not that good.Also, part of someone becoming an iconic villain includes stories that get into their backgrounds, their histories, their heads. Strahd and Soth both have that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mouseferatu, post: 6846297, member: 1288"] I disagree. It's more than just a label. It has a specific meaning, and includes specific places in the world/cosmology. It doesn't feel like a "lich story" [I]at all[/I] to me. The fact that Vecna was originally a lich frankly feels tangential to the entire affair. It's just another "stop the big evil from becoming even bigger" plot. And its very multi-planar "playing on the level of gods" nature works against it being an iconic lich story. Note that I'm including the whole series of modules in my answer... I don't feel like it qualifies, in part because of the "god thing" (in that we never actually see Vecna just behaving as a lich, but it's always about divinity), in part because Vecna should never have had anything to do with Ravenloft--he's a bad fit--in part because because various portions of the story violate existing mood and cannon of multiple settings (Ravenloft, Sigil), and in part because it's just frankly not that good. Also, part of someone becoming an iconic villain includes stories that get into their backgrounds, their histories, their heads. Strahd and Soth both have that. [/QUOTE]

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