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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8745192" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>What bonus do you think an insect has to a climb check?  So it has to be more than humanly possible, but in the real world probably there are no more than like 5th or 6th level characters at most.   So the level of what is humanly possible is pretty low.  Are giant flies in your campaign world able to cling to sheer surfaces?  If they are, why not a 15th level rogue or fighter?  Why do they have to be epic before their skill can do more than is humanly possible?  By the time you get to double digits, why can't you climb as well as animals, jump as well as kangaroos and do all the other things that mundane creatures can do that are just a little bit more than what is realistically possible for a human?  In a fantasy.</p></blockquote><p></p>