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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8745850" data-attributes="member: 23751">+1 or +2.&nbsp; Giant Spiders have +3 due to dex and no proficiency, because insects don't use skill.&nbsp; They have tiny hairs designed to grip surfaces.&nbsp; That and they weight one bazillionth of an ounce.&nbsp; Giant spiders have a spider climb ability that allows them to climb surfaces at their weight, allowing them to climb surfaces without making an ability check.Level doesn't determine what is humanly possible.&nbsp; Race does.I wouldn't allow it due to size and I take away the spider climb ability of giant spiders for the same reason.&nbsp; They use webs and holes(trapdoor spiders) or roam around like Tarantulas. They would need a supernatural power to do so at their size.Too heavy and the lack of all the specialized hairs that would allow it to happen.Because they aren't those other creatures with their physiological developments that make it possible.&nbsp; A 15th level fighter isn't going to suddenly have his bones, muscles and body structure shift from human into kangaroo to enable it to happen.It's not a little bit more.&nbsp; It's a whole lot more.&nbsp; Even in a fantasy words mean something.&nbsp; These are humans, not fandangos with a body structure closer to kangaroos than human. We may not try to mirror reality when we play them, but they are reasonably realistic as humans.To climb like a spider or fly, or jump like a kangaroo, they would need some sort of supernatural ability that makes it possible. Level alone isn't going to do it.&nbsp; I don't mind that supernatural ability coming from high level fantasy training, but without some sort of &quot;magic,&quot; it's not happening.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8745850, member: 23751"] +1 or +2. Giant Spiders have +3 due to dex and no proficiency, because insects don't use skill. They have tiny hairs designed to grip surfaces. That and they weight one bazillionth of an ounce. Giant spiders have a spider climb ability that allows them to climb surfaces at their weight, allowing them to climb surfaces without making an ability check. Level doesn't determine what is humanly possible. Race does. I wouldn't allow it due to size and I take away the spider climb ability of giant spiders for the same reason. They use webs and holes(trapdoor spiders) or roam around like Tarantulas. They would need a supernatural power to do so at their size. Too heavy and the lack of all the specialized hairs that would allow it to happen. Because they aren't those other creatures with their physiological developments that make it possible. A 15th level fighter isn't going to suddenly have his bones, muscles and body structure shift from human into kangaroo to enable it to happen. It's not a little bit more. It's a whole lot more. Even in a fantasy words mean something. These are humans, not fandangos with a body structure closer to kangaroos than human. We may not try to mirror reality when we play them, but they are reasonably realistic as humans. To climb like a spider or fly, or jump like a kangaroo, they would need some sort of supernatural ability that makes it possible. Level alone isn't going to do it. I don't mind that supernatural ability coming from high level fantasy training, but without some sort of "magic," it's not happening. [/QUOTE]

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