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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8746731" data-attributes="member: 4937">They are useful distinctions for me as well, but the existence of these distinctions doesn't make what I say untrue.&nbsp; The trouble is that I can coherently explain what those distinctions are and you can't.&nbsp; You're still thinking the distinction is &quot;exists in the real world&quot; which is incoherent.An example of this is that a fire elemental that wasn't summoned by a spell can step into an anti-magic field and doesn't wink out of existence.&nbsp; Because the fire elemental is as mundane in D&amp;D as it is magical in the real world.&nbsp;&nbsp; Likewise a ghoul doesn't stop moving despite being obviously &quot;magical&quot; in the sense you use it.&nbsp; And ironically, in 3e the ghoul loses the ability to spread disease (suggesting it is a curse) but retains the ability to cause paralysis by touch (suggesting it is &quot;mundane magic&quot;).So yes, there is a distinction, but that distinction doesn't prove me wrong.&nbsp; You are using the words mundane and magical incorrectly.&nbsp;&nbsp; Mundane in the D&amp;D universe isn't mundane in his universe.&nbsp; Supernatural is a term I inherently dislike as at best it just means &quot;something I don't understand&quot; and at worst it means &quot;impossible thing&quot;, but applied to the D&amp;D universe it certainly can't be judged on the basis of whether or not it can happen in this world.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 8746731, member: 4937"] They are useful distinctions for me as well, but the existence of these distinctions doesn't make what I say untrue. The trouble is that I can coherently explain what those distinctions are and you can't. You're still thinking the distinction is "exists in the real world" which is incoherent. An example of this is that a fire elemental that wasn't summoned by a spell can step into an anti-magic field and doesn't wink out of existence. Because the fire elemental is as mundane in D&D as it is magical in the real world. Likewise a ghoul doesn't stop moving despite being obviously "magical" in the sense you use it. And ironically, in 3e the ghoul loses the ability to spread disease (suggesting it is a curse) but retains the ability to cause paralysis by touch (suggesting it is "mundane magic"). So yes, there is a distinction, but that distinction doesn't prove me wrong. You are using the words mundane and magical incorrectly. Mundane in the D&D universe isn't mundane in his universe. Supernatural is a term I inherently dislike as at best it just means "something I don't understand" and at worst it means "impossible thing", but applied to the D&D universe it certainly can't be judged on the basis of whether or not it can happen in this world. [/QUOTE]

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