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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 9629048" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>For monsters weaker than individual PCs, if they are fought in numbers where they can be caught in a single spell, the likelihood is they will.</p><p></p><p>So in a lot of cases just use "Minions" to add a bit of flavour rather than any viable threat.</p><p></p><p>One alternative is to have Minions where actually defeating them creates an outcome worse than killing them (buffs/heals boss, they explode, mutates into more powerful monster when slain etc.).</p><p></p><p>Otherwise typically pair Boss monsters with enemies roughly on par with one of the PCs.</p><p></p><p>For instance, I have Orcus detailed in my book (my version of him anyway). This Orcus is CR 28 (tIMO CR 28 should mean a Hard Encounter for 10 Epic Tier characters - who would each individually be CR 11-13 themselves, streamlined to CR 12 for simplicity). However, this version of Orcus is primarily designed to be fought* by Quasi-deity characters (approx. CR 20 each), not epic tier characters who should be too weak to defeat a Demon Prince on their home plane. Against the Quasi-deity Party I suggest Orcus (typically with 1d6 Wraiths for flavour) is also accompanied by one additional 'Bodyguard' for every additional PC after the first (Balor, Lich, Molydeus, Nightwalker, etc.).</p><p></p><p>Mini-Boss = CR +4 Monster = 2 PCs</p><p>Boss = CR +8 Monster = 3 PCs</p><p>Solo Threat CR +12 = 6 PCs</p><p>CR +16 or more = 10+ PCs, Probable TPK, don't use.</p><p></p><p>Of course the individual monsters need to be designed to be worth 2, 3 or 6 PCs in the first place (which the official monsters typically are not). 'Luckily' there are so few official Epic monsters that tweaking them is not a major undertaking.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I use multiple Combat Reactions (on a sliding scale dependent upon the CR difference between the PCs and the monster) in place of Legendary Actions. That way only monsters more powerful than the PCs 'get' those extra Reactions. So it doesn't clog up epic games when you use multiple monsters that would have had Legendary Reactions. There is bit more to it, but its a neat system.</p><p></p><p>So unless a creature is designed as a Minion from the get-go (in which case I wouldn't add any Combat Reactions), CR 16+ Monsters will always potentially have multiple Combat Reactions (as per Legendary Actions) in the stat-block.</p><p></p><p>...my meandering point being <strong>always </strong>give more powerful monsters Legendary Actions (or the equivalent in my case - multiple Combat Reactions).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 9629048, member: 326"] For monsters weaker than individual PCs, if they are fought in numbers where they can be caught in a single spell, the likelihood is they will. So in a lot of cases just use "Minions" to add a bit of flavour rather than any viable threat. One alternative is to have Minions where actually defeating them creates an outcome worse than killing them (buffs/heals boss, they explode, mutates into more powerful monster when slain etc.). Otherwise typically pair Boss monsters with enemies roughly on par with one of the PCs. For instance, I have Orcus detailed in my book (my version of him anyway). This Orcus is CR 28 (tIMO CR 28 should mean a Hard Encounter for 10 Epic Tier characters - who would each individually be CR 11-13 themselves, streamlined to CR 12 for simplicity). However, this version of Orcus is primarily designed to be fought* by Quasi-deity characters (approx. CR 20 each), not epic tier characters who should be too weak to defeat a Demon Prince on their home plane. Against the Quasi-deity Party I suggest Orcus (typically with 1d6 Wraiths for flavour) is also accompanied by one additional 'Bodyguard' for every additional PC after the first (Balor, Lich, Molydeus, Nightwalker, etc.). Mini-Boss = CR +4 Monster = 2 PCs Boss = CR +8 Monster = 3 PCs Solo Threat CR +12 = 6 PCs CR +16 or more = 10+ PCs, Probable TPK, don't use. Of course the individual monsters need to be designed to be worth 2, 3 or 6 PCs in the first place (which the official monsters typically are not). 'Luckily' there are so few official Epic monsters that tweaking them is not a major undertaking. I use multiple Combat Reactions (on a sliding scale dependent upon the CR difference between the PCs and the monster) in place of Legendary Actions. That way only monsters more powerful than the PCs 'get' those extra Reactions. So it doesn't clog up epic games when you use multiple monsters that would have had Legendary Reactions. There is bit more to it, but its a neat system. So unless a creature is designed as a Minion from the get-go (in which case I wouldn't add any Combat Reactions), CR 16+ Monsters will always potentially have multiple Combat Reactions (as per Legendary Actions) in the stat-block. ...my meandering point being [B]always [/B]give more powerful monsters Legendary Actions (or the equivalent in my case - multiple Combat Reactions). [/QUOTE]
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