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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 9425680" data-attributes="member: 6787503">How long after you post a reply to me am I allowed to reply to you? It sounds like you don't plan on providing any examples of these descriptions of material culture you say are so prevalent.A secondary world can be a fictional Earth as it is in the case of the setting of the LotR. This is from the Prologue to The Lord of the Rings (Vol. 1, The Fellowship of the Ring):Those days, the Third Age of Middle-earth, are now long past, and the shape of all lands has been changed; but the regions in which Hobbits then lived were doubtless the same as those in which they still linger: the North-West of the Old World, east of the Sea.JRR Tolkien called this an express statement that the Shire had been in Europe, but if you don't believe him, why do you think he used the term Old World with its obvious connotation of the Afro-Eurasian land mass?</blockquote>