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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 3326859" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>I'm not sure that it's an unexplained issue really. In-game, Tiamat was never a Lord of the 9, though some mortal sages might have mistaken her to have held that title and position. I could very easily see devils in the service of other noble Baatezu opposed to Zariel, and later Bel, spreading false information on the power structure of Avernus to stunt any efforts by the Lord of the 1st to develop mortal cults on the prime material. After all, if your potential targets falsely believe Tiamat to be lord of Avernus, you're going to have a devil of a time recruiting them to worship you, even if you could likely boot Tiamat out of Baator if push ever came to shove.</p><p></p><p>But mortals who held that belief might have honestly just misread the evidence. Tiamat is a diety yes, and she's on Avernus, and her deific domain is perched atop the portal to Dis. She has importance on that level, even if her relations with the Baatezu has been frosty at times. Still, she has fared much better as a deity on Avernus than Gruumsh and Maglubiyet fared (who were forcibly ejected from Baator into Acheron).</p><p></p><p>Out of game, the removal in 2e and 3.x of Tiamat from the role she briefly had in 1e clears up the extreme awkwardness of having someone who was both a true deity and also a non-baatezu being among the ranks of the archdevils.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 3326859, member: 11697"] I'm not sure that it's an unexplained issue really. In-game, Tiamat was never a Lord of the 9, though some mortal sages might have mistaken her to have held that title and position. I could very easily see devils in the service of other noble Baatezu opposed to Zariel, and later Bel, spreading false information on the power structure of Avernus to stunt any efforts by the Lord of the 1st to develop mortal cults on the prime material. After all, if your potential targets falsely believe Tiamat to be lord of Avernus, you're going to have a devil of a time recruiting them to worship you, even if you could likely boot Tiamat out of Baator if push ever came to shove. But mortals who held that belief might have honestly just misread the evidence. Tiamat is a diety yes, and she's on Avernus, and her deific domain is perched atop the portal to Dis. She has importance on that level, even if her relations with the Baatezu has been frosty at times. Still, she has fared much better as a deity on Avernus than Gruumsh and Maglubiyet fared (who were forcibly ejected from Baator into Acheron). Out of game, the removal in 2e and 3.x of Tiamat from the role she briefly had in 1e clears up the extreme awkwardness of having someone who was both a true deity and also a non-baatezu being among the ranks of the archdevils. [/QUOTE]
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