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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BOZ" data-source="post: 3328088" data-attributes="member: 1241">i didn't think that would change, and it's better that you worked on something that you wanted to do rather than something you would consider a headache.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />still, it's not quite as complicated as it seems, it's just kind of like unravelling a ball of yarn - it takes time, but once you see where the strings go it's worth it.  OK, that's what you get with on-the-spot analogy.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />i will fully, and absolutely admit that i wrote that gigantic missive in the space of 48 hours, when not working full-time, taking care of my family, and watching an ultimately disappointing football game.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  did i read every page of every source as thoroughly as i would have liked?  no, and for no good reason i was in a hurry to get it done, so i did more skimming and skipping than i should have.i know i can count on you to catch my omissions and errors, which is why i posted this and asked for help. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> thanks!having the others come much later as part of a series of replacements sounds fine.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  especially those who, themselves, were later replaced.  i think the unnamed fellow who baalzebul replaced may have come along with the three oldest, since FC2 implies that he is similar in age to dispater and mephistopheles, if not older than them.  Zariel, Mammon, Belial, Levistus, and Beherit would then have come along a few millennia after Baator was first settled (though not all at the same time) and stabilized their reigns for a good long time.  the next likely change would have been that Baalzebul came along and took the 7th layer from the one who held it all along.  i'd say Geryon next replaced Levistus, and then Moloch then replaced Beherit, and it stayed that way for a few more millenia before the Reckoning. if i'm off-base on that, or if it doesn't sound quite right, let me know.thanks!  that's very useful background info.i'll defenitely have to reconsider Gargoth's importance in Baator's history.  it may be possible that he could have been the previous lord of the 7th, if we can assume (and oh, yes, we can), that everything written about the Hells has a good chance of being a lie.so, the moral of the story is that the Reckoning happened millenia ago.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  i don't think narrowing down specific dates or lengths of time is critical, but sequence of events defeinitely is.  given how complex the tangled webs are woven in the Hells, i'm going to go with "all of the above".  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />fair enough. at the same time, my idea doesn't automatically negate that concept; revising it, we get "Asmodeus sought to make Geryon despair to produce enough energy to empower Glasya, at the same time his death transforms him into a vestige that Asmodeus may learn more about this unusual state of being."  yes, no, maybe so?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />that's another way of looking at it, and not necessarily "wrong".wrong thread!  focus... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />or, no you've already tried and they're not listening?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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