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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 3328184" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>Be careful when using material dealing with Baator that Greenwood wrote more recently, because he admittedly tends to use his own personal conception of Baator and not necessarily that which later authors developed over the editions following his Dragon magazine articles. For instance in 'Elminster in Hell' he presents Geryon as still holding a place within the heirarchy of Baator, officially commanding entire companies of troops, answering to Asmodeus in a normal capacity, etc rather than living in exile in Stygia. </p><p></p><p>What he describes might mesh with previous material he's personally done, but it might not fit well with the bulk of the material elsewhere, just keep that in mind if you use material from there because contraditions may crop up versus mainstream sources. After Elminster in Hell came out, he and I had a little discussion over on Candlekeep about this in general.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wouldn't consider a vestige a powerful or unusual state of being. A lot of vestiges are just formerly powerful beings who after their permenant death have their essence either scattered across the planes to the point of no longer being a distinct being anymore, or they're such beings whose essence was devoured and dispersed by their native plane but who still seek to salvage that original existance. It's not a position to envy, it's one to pity because they're shreds and scraps of a being still seeking to regain a status seperate from its plane, after being consumed by it. Geryon was devoured by Asmodeus, but a lot of his essence probably soaked into Baator in the process, and that spilt essence more or less caused Baator a case of gastric distress because it's not happily submitting to a permenant merger with the plane at large.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 3328184, member: 11697"] Be careful when using material dealing with Baator that Greenwood wrote more recently, because he admittedly tends to use his own personal conception of Baator and not necessarily that which later authors developed over the editions following his Dragon magazine articles. For instance in 'Elminster in Hell' he presents Geryon as still holding a place within the heirarchy of Baator, officially commanding entire companies of troops, answering to Asmodeus in a normal capacity, etc rather than living in exile in Stygia. What he describes might mesh with previous material he's personally done, but it might not fit well with the bulk of the material elsewhere, just keep that in mind if you use material from there because contraditions may crop up versus mainstream sources. After Elminster in Hell came out, he and I had a little discussion over on Candlekeep about this in general. I wouldn't consider a vestige a powerful or unusual state of being. A lot of vestiges are just formerly powerful beings who after their permenant death have their essence either scattered across the planes to the point of no longer being a distinct being anymore, or they're such beings whose essence was devoured and dispersed by their native plane but who still seek to salvage that original existance. It's not a position to envy, it's one to pity because they're shreds and scraps of a being still seeking to regain a status seperate from its plane, after being consumed by it. Geryon was devoured by Asmodeus, but a lot of his essence probably soaked into Baator in the process, and that spilt essence more or less caused Baator a case of gastric distress because it's not happily submitting to a permenant merger with the plane at large. [/QUOTE]
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