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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ripzerai" data-source="post: 3328329" data-attributes="member: 38324">We have just a few major events to think about:# Law shaping the Outer Planes from Chaos. As described in one of the FCI myths, the Abyss was the waste product, the refuse left over from that event. This is described in a different way in Guide to Hell's Twin Serpents myth, with Law symbolized by two cosmic snakes that shape the Great Ring from Chaos.# Law becoming aware of Good and Evil. As described in the FCII parable, and also in the Guide to Hell parable, this seems to have been the beginning of the baatezu race, although Baator itself existed before this. Perhaps this means that Evil was aware of Law before Law was aware of Evil. The ancient Baatorians are the result of Evil (the baernaloths) using Law as a tool without the progenitors of Order (the Twin Serpents or the entities described as  Heironeous/Asmodeus/Moradin/Yondalla/St. Cuthbert in the FCII) knowing about it.# So that gives us a third event. Evil using Law and Chaos as tools without the awareness of the latter two forces. This is possibly how the obyriths came into being, as well as the ancient Baatorians. # The fourth event is the creation of mortals. This coincided with the creation of the tanar'ri by the obyriths, and is the event (according to one myth) over which Law contended with itself and first became aware of evil. So, putting them in order:1. Law and Chaos clash, and a primitive version of the Great Wheel is formed. Initially there is only Law, Chaos, Evil, Balance, and Good, and they do not blend or touch.2. Evil exploits the bad feelings the forces of primal Chaos have over this event, creating the obyriths from the beings of pure Chaos. At about the same time, Baator is created, though the forces of Law do not yet know its significance. Presumedly, something similar happens on the Upper Planes. The number of Outer Planes increases to nine.3. The obyriths begin warring against the primal beings of Law, ignoring the Ancient Baatorians (as everyone but the yugoloths seem to).3. Mortal life develops to the point where its souls begin entering the Outer Planes. The obyriths transform mortal souls into the first tanar'ri. One of the beings of primal Law (Asmodeus) suggests that some of the souls that come to the plane of Law (later called Mechanus) should be set aside for punishment so that they do not disturb the contemplations of the other Lawful Beings. The Beings of Law also wish to help the Wind Dukes fight the war against the obyriths without getting their own hands dirty, so one of their number creates a race of servitors to do so. Eventually, as the punishments get more severe and the war against Chaos gets more brutal, this Being of Law descends to Baator and creates the baatezu from his warriors of Law. The other Beings of Law slowly become aware of the great evil that is being done in their names there. With knowledge of Evil comes knowledge of Good, and some of the Lawful Beings ascend to Celestia, which probably already exists in some form.From this, I would gather that Baator and the Abyss are approximately equal in age, but the tanar'ri are somewhat older than the baatezu. However, the baatezu came into existence before the end of the Law-Chaos war on the Plains of Pesh, and in fact were probably among the major fighters alongside the Wind Dukes.</blockquote>

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