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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rob Kuntz" data-source="post: 8248114" data-attributes="member: 7015759">It's all come down to degree within the kind.  As you correctly assess, there is no difference between the two kinds so what is lacking is degree.  Why?  Answer why? and the riddle is solved though the way forward has been strewn with obstacles.  Perhaps the proclivity of younger RPG generations to take the easy route through combat in such has unintentionally provoked such a reaction.  The good that came from it--learning to engage tactically, group cooperation, matstering the rules for classes, spells, etc,--maybe that had an additional backlash effect?  The way is clear.  Folks like you must continue the battle to clear the air and set things right!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  There is also the problem, btw, that a good published DC, as you understand it, has to be designed to fit all, and I deem that the largest obstacle since each campaign is different.  It would have to be so campaign neutral that additional work would have to be done to graft it; and is that other than a minority view of doing things these days in this plug-n-play, instant gratification-oriented environment? In any case keep designing!</blockquote>