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<blockquote data-quote="Frankie1969" data-source="post: 7620686" data-attributes="member: 61252"><p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">1E: yes; explicit link stated between worshipers and deity status </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">2E: maybe; gods want worshipers for "mysterious" reasons. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">3E: not necessarily; many divine beings lack (or actively avoid) worship. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">4E & 5E: no; worshipers never mentioned as important. </li> </ul><p> But even in 1E, the rules never tied game-mechanical effects directly to worshipers.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In the instances I'm talking about, Zeitgeist says the power comes directly from the beliefs of the masses, not from gods or ideals.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The 4E Docker ability Sing Your Praises draws its power from fame, as do the entirety of the Monument of War and Notorious Celebrity prestige classes in both PF & 4E.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It doesn't have to be magical, it just has to fit thematically. The aspect of industry from Jiese isn't magical. </p><p></p><p>A lot of things in Zeitgeist grant quantified capabilities based on mass devotion. It's a mechanic that pops up repeatedly. Sure, similar things are possible in other game worlds, but it's almost always background fluff with no game-mechanical effect. The frequency and crunchiness of this recurring pattern has a statistically significant difference from standard D&D.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Frankie1969, post: 7620686, member: 61252"] [LIST] [*]1E: yes; explicit link stated between worshipers and deity status [*]2E: maybe; gods want worshipers for "mysterious" reasons. [*]3E: not necessarily; many divine beings lack (or actively avoid) worship. [*]4E & 5E: no; worshipers never mentioned as important. [/LIST] But even in 1E, the rules never tied game-mechanical effects directly to worshipers. In the instances I'm talking about, Zeitgeist says the power comes directly from the beliefs of the masses, not from gods or ideals. The 4E Docker ability Sing Your Praises draws its power from fame, as do the entirety of the Monument of War and Notorious Celebrity prestige classes in both PF & 4E. It doesn't have to be magical, it just has to fit thematically. The aspect of industry from Jiese isn't magical. A lot of things in Zeitgeist grant quantified capabilities based on mass devotion. It's a mechanic that pops up repeatedly. Sure, similar things are possible in other game worlds, but it's almost always background fluff with no game-mechanical effect. The frequency and crunchiness of this recurring pattern has a statistically significant difference from standard D&D. [/QUOTE]
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