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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3634553" data-attributes="member: 18280">Ah, if only that were the case.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Actually, though, I asked you to clarify under what circumstances the term could have descriptive value.  Repeatedly.  Starting with post 313.  Again in post 315.  Again in post 370.  And in post 371.  Then in post 382, when you were not quoted, you asked me to stop misquoting you.  You also, finally, answered the question:Far from "jumping on that", I asked you to clarify time and time again.  And, yes, while you did claim that it was "vague" (without, though I had asked that too, describing why this term was too vague for use, when many equally vague terms are perfectly fine for use), the gist of your response wasn't "it is vague and imprecise".  The gist of your response was "It's simply too loaded a term to use with any value".And, frankly, I'd be hard pressed to determine how "magic item trade" (the term you prefer in post 460) could not be used for a single large physical place where magic items can be bought and sold, a shorthand for easy trade in magic items, many small artisans, a one-of trade in magic items that can never be repeated, etc., etc, etc.  It suffers from the exact same problems of being "vague and imprecise".  What the term is harder pressed to do, though, is to demonstrate dislike for something.  And, you know, the most shocking thing that could happen on this thread would be that someone would just admitted that their objection has nothing to do with vagueness, and is all about perceived negative connotations.From Post 322:When I say, for example, "pokemount", it conveys a specific meaning. It conveys a denotation of this edition's paladin's mount, and a strong connotation of my distaste for the current edition's version of the paladin's mount.It might also provoke a reaction which, IMHO, seems nothing more than "How dare you express a distaste for the current edition's version of the paladin's mount?" Possibly with an irrational conflating that distaste with a distaste for the game system as a whole, or with those who like the current edition's paladin's mount. However, I don't know of a single example where the term "pokemount" was intended to carry this secondary connotation. Nor, frankly, do you need to use the term "pokemount" to garner the same reaction -- you need merely to imply a distaste for the current edition's version of the paladin's mount.The same is true for Magic Walmarts, Magic Marts, and Magic Shops. The problem lies not in the terminology, IMHO, but in the idea that any implication of personal distaste of any game element inherently implies that it is "wrongbadfun".IMHO, this is a failure to read properly, and should be corrected rather than be catered to. YMMV.Well, when you run into that again, remind them that the phrase was coined at least as early as 2e, and probably earlier than that.  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></blockquote>

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