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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9326426" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Like... what? Let us assume that Item AC from the DMG correlates to Hardness. The strongest mundane material (so strong it makes a suit of armor made from it into a magical item) is Adamantium. It has an AC of 23. Sure, maybe we can say that the heart of a dying quasar is completely mundane and has an AC of 30... but anything made from it would be classified as a magical item anyways. And I would also say that it has supernatural significance. Being made of matter isn't a sure sign that something is "mundane" and something of that stature in the cosmos would be far from "mundane" in a fantasy setting.Because those guys at levels 9 to 14 are going to be squishy and stretchy concepts anyways. And it makes far far more since to figure out where the end of the line is, then back-fill, than it would be to figure out each step on the ladder. Especially since we have a lot of people who would love Hoplite #362 to be a 17th level fighter, because the Hoplites were elite soldiers. And frankly, the line doesn't matter nearly as much as what we want to do. I don't want Fighters and Rogues to have +25 to hit and deal an extra 50 damage per strike plus bleed damage. That doesn't actually help them. I want to increase mobility, battlefield control, exploration. I want to have a Fighter that can truly stand on that level of myth and legend. I don't like we need to compare them to gods and demigods, but Western mythology sucks at having ordinary dudes who don't get smeared into a paste. Should Thor or Hercules be the limit of the Fighter? Depends what you meany by Thor or Hercules. The thing is, we don't want them to be stuck at "War Veteran" levels. We don't want John McClain who in the second movie was matched in badass scenes by a Harlem Store Owner. We don't want Boromir who was likely level 4. Some of us don't even want Batman or Tony Stark, since that translates into "money and magic items" for so many people, and that feels like a crutch for some of us. So yeah, I don't particularly care to figure out where Ajax the Greater fits on the grand scheme of the fighter, because I'm still trying to tell people that grumpy store clerks and dead not!princes aren't 20th level mythic heroes who challenge gods and things that the gods fear.</blockquote>

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