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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9332099" data-attributes="member: 63508"><p>RAW when.</p><p></p><p>Before TCOE, no. The feats , maneuvers, and fighting styles for noncombat capable fighters didn't exist.</p><p></p><p>After TCOE, everything got buffed so much that it became too easy for other classes to do better. </p><p></p><p>Heck subsystems that would have let multiple characters enter the same roles in different capacity like languages or complex checks were half way done.</p><p></p><p>So as the party leveled if the DM would offer them harder challenges unless it is a group role the fighter can easily be overshadowed. They weren't supernatural. Then Martial progress was not defined in a matter that can be leveraged unless you have a DM that matches your mental imagination perfectly. And their spells, when they got, were underleveled.</p><p></p><p>Focusing more on the core archetypes and designing gaps for new classes would have been the best choice. But 5e wasn't future proofed.</p><p></p><p>This entire thread is about appealing to define the undefined by claiming not magical martials are supernatural.</p><p></p><p>It's fully a bargaining compromise. Let my fighter be the hulk to make up for tilted design.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 9332099, member: 63508"] RAW when. Before TCOE, no. The feats , maneuvers, and fighting styles for noncombat capable fighters didn't exist. After TCOE, everything got buffed so much that it became too easy for other classes to do better. Heck subsystems that would have let multiple characters enter the same roles in different capacity like languages or complex checks were half way done. So as the party leveled if the DM would offer them harder challenges unless it is a group role the fighter can easily be overshadowed. They weren't supernatural. Then Martial progress was not defined in a matter that can be leveraged unless you have a DM that matches your mental imagination perfectly. And their spells, when they got, were underleveled. Focusing more on the core archetypes and designing gaps for new classes would have been the best choice. But 5e wasn't future proofed. This entire thread is about appealing to define the undefined by claiming not magical martials are supernatural. It's fully a bargaining compromise. Let my fighter be the hulk to make up for tilted design. [/QUOTE]
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