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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 7612149" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>To avoid falsehoods is a reasonable standard.</p><p></p><p>For example, the Norse mythos.</p><p></p><p>Deities & Demigods makes many false statements.</p><p></p><p>"Balder (God of Beauty)"</p><p>• Baldr is a vættr, an animistic nature being, not a polytheistic god. </p><p>• Baldr has nothing to do with being worshiped, nor being worshiped for his ‘beauty’.</p><p>• Baldr is daylight. Literal daylight. The same daylight streams thru our windows.</p><p>• Daylight is beautiful.</p><p>• Daylight reveals truth.</p><p>• Daylight brings new life.</p><p>• Daylight brings new hope − especially in northerly dark winters.</p><p></p><p>"Valkyries. These warrior maidens ride pegasi."</p><p>• Since when has any Norse text ever mentioned the word ‘pesasi’? Certainly not in relation to the valkyrjur.</p><p></p><p>"Thor. Chaotic Good."</p><p>• Þórr literally is social order. If anything he is Lawful Neutral.</p><p>• Norwegian Norse view him as rescuing humans, so at least here, Lawful Good (with hints of Paladin smiting) seems fair.</p><p></p><p>"Odin. Neutral Good."</p><p>• Óðinn is a Danish thing, Freyr is a Swedish thing, and Þórr is a Norwegian thing.</p><p>• In the Norwegian version of Óðinn, he is treacherous, probably Evil.</p><p>• Óðinn is literally cosmic order, astronomical cycles, seasonal cycles, etcetera.</p><p>• Probably Lawful Neutral, but again too treacherous. Neutral at best, probably Neutral Evil.</p><p></p><p>"Norns. three."</p><p>• There are many nornir.</p><p>• The three jǫtnar nornir are more about the fate of the cosmos, like when Ragnarǫk happens.</p><p>• But when it comes to the lives of human individuals, the alfar nornir are way more important.</p><p>• The jǫtnar Nornir are called Neutral, and probably fair enough, cruel inscrutable fate</p><p>• but a Norse tradition views these Nornir dooming the æsir in Ragnarǫk in order to protect humanity from them</p><p></p><p>Frey (sunshine and the elves)</p><p>• ok but peripheral</p><p>• Freyr is specifically the natural phenomenon of sex</p><p>• In addition to sexuality, Freyr connotes wealth (fertility) and peace (good relationships)</p><p></p><p>And so on. I can continue at length about the many falsifications in the Deities & Demigods.</p><p></p><p>It isnt just that the Deities & Demigods is wrong, it is the book is wrong about some of the most central concepts that matter to these cultures. It is misappropriation.</p><p></p><p>I am just giving examples pertaining to Norse spiritual heritages.</p><p></p><p>At the same time, I am familiar with many religions because of my anthropology, and because of friends who adhere to those religions.</p><p></p><p>The Deities & Demigods is false about other peoples sacred beliefs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 7612149, member: 58172"] To avoid falsehoods is a reasonable standard. For example, the Norse mythos. Deities & Demigods makes many false statements. "Balder (God of Beauty)" • Baldr is a vættr, an animistic nature being, not a polytheistic god. • Baldr has nothing to do with being worshiped, nor being worshiped for his ‘beauty’. • Baldr is daylight. Literal daylight. The same daylight streams thru our windows. • Daylight is beautiful. • Daylight reveals truth. • Daylight brings new life. • Daylight brings new hope − especially in northerly dark winters. "Valkyries. These warrior maidens ride pegasi." • Since when has any Norse text ever mentioned the word ‘pesasi’? Certainly not in relation to the valkyrjur. "Thor. Chaotic Good." • Þórr literally is social order. If anything he is Lawful Neutral. • Norwegian Norse view him as rescuing humans, so at least here, Lawful Good (with hints of Paladin smiting) seems fair. "Odin. Neutral Good." • Óðinn is a Danish thing, Freyr is a Swedish thing, and Þórr is a Norwegian thing. • In the Norwegian version of Óðinn, he is treacherous, probably Evil. • Óðinn is literally cosmic order, astronomical cycles, seasonal cycles, etcetera. • Probably Lawful Neutral, but again too treacherous. Neutral at best, probably Neutral Evil. "Norns. three." • There are many nornir. • The three jǫtnar nornir are more about the fate of the cosmos, like when Ragnarǫk happens. • But when it comes to the lives of human individuals, the alfar nornir are way more important. • The jǫtnar Nornir are called Neutral, and probably fair enough, cruel inscrutable fate • but a Norse tradition views these Nornir dooming the æsir in Ragnarǫk in order to protect humanity from them Frey (sunshine and the elves) • ok but peripheral • Freyr is specifically the natural phenomenon of sex • In addition to sexuality, Freyr connotes wealth (fertility) and peace (good relationships) And so on. I can continue at length about the many falsifications in the Deities & Demigods. It isnt just that the Deities & Demigods is wrong, it is the book is wrong about some of the most central concepts that matter to these cultures. It is misappropriation. I am just giving examples pertaining to Norse spiritual heritages. At the same time, I am familiar with many religions because of my anthropology, and because of friends who adhere to those religions. The Deities & Demigods is false about other peoples sacred beliefs. [/QUOTE]
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