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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kenada" data-source="post: 8649669" data-attributes="member: 70468">Yeah, sorry. I found the comparison exasperating. There’s a different dynamic between video games and tabletop RPGs. The latter isn’t dependent on an upstream developer to provide content or constrained to do just a prescribed list of things. It would be terrible to put the kind of grinding players tend to optimize around in MMOs into a tabletop RPG.Unless you’re doing open table or public play, surely you’re able to filter players over time until you end up with a group that aligns with what you want to do?I’ve built and played optimized characters. It’s pretty fun. I would guess many of the people you decry are also having fun. That’s why I don’t care all that much about optimized characters. The players are still usually engaging with the rest of the game, especially since mine aren’t just about overcoming mechanical challenges, so it only becomes a problem in certain cases (e.g., when one specialist is way better than another at the same thing, which is highly system-dependent).Games are about something. In mine, the players pick what they want to do for the campaign (“loot the fallen capital” in my current game), and then we play to find out what happens. That’s the premise. I expect players to engage with what the game is about and not be disruptive to that end.I played in a group that had a player who was notorious for being disruptive. After he got his character exiled in the first hour of play in L5R, they told a story of how he got the party TPK’d after offending a bunch of NPCs. Why would you invite back a player who disrupts and destroys games habitually? <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤯" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f92f.png" title="Exploding head    :exploding_head:" data-shortname=":exploding_head:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />I’ve been playing only a couple of decades, but my experience has been that the number of really problematic players has been in the low single digits. Not questioning your experience, just saying how mine differs.That sucks. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🫤" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1fae4.png" title="Face with diagonal mouth    :face_with_diagonal_mouth:" data-shortname=":face_with_diagonal_mouth:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></blockquote>

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