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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 9189327" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>Saw it last night myself. Here's the skinny.</p><p></p><p><strong>The Quick Summary: </strong>Its a fun popcorn kind of movie, and if that's what your in the market for, its fun and I enjoyed it. I think its a notable improvement from the first Captain Marvel.</p><p></p><p><strong>The Good</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The story fixes a lot of the perceived issues with Captain Marvel herself. This version is a lot more human, more expressive, with real concerns, drives, and pains. She has seen some real consequences of her actions and has lost some of that arrogance from her first couple of appearances. Bree Larson got to be unchained a bit and brought out a character who is still trying to find her old self (stolen by the Kree), and so you can see moments where the others pull emotions out of her that she at first glance doesn't want to be bothered with but inside so desperately wants to express. Again this Captain Marvel is a lot more relatable and interesting than what we have gotten before.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Girl Power without Woke Power. This was a woman focused movie that was just "matter of fact" about it. It was women supporting each other, learning to grow into their own power, and doing what needed to be done in the face of great adversity. There was no "messaging" in this movie, it was never "down with the patriarchy". But on the other hand it wasn't "women substituted in men's role". These women supported each other with hugs and play in a way that you would never see 3 male superheroes doing....and it was perfect. Nothing felt forced in the way this movie went on.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ms Marvel is always a delight to me, though I recognize she is not everyone's cup of tea. I love the character, I love the actress, and I thought her parts were very well done.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">They balanced Carol's power in the narrative well to me. Your immediate problem with Captain Marvel is....how do you ensure she doesn't just win? And I think they struck a good balance in the movie, on the one hand when she is nerfed...its because it made narrative sense and wasn't just "well she's just weirdly weak right now". On the other hand they didn't just pull her out of her own movie to prevent her from winning (similar to how they had to handle her in IW/Endgame).<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">This villain gets more rationale and justification to her actions in 3 minutes of screentime than most marvel villains get in their entire movie. You get her, and from her perspective, Captain Marvel is a natural disaster, a monster that destroyed her people and her home (and even Carol has to deal with the idea that she might be right). If she didn't specifically go with the revenge angle and target planets Carol cares about...you could really see her point of view. In fact there is even a very small and subtle scene that shows that this villain doesn't have ego, she is 100% willing to die to save her world.</li> </ul><p></p><p><strong>The Bad</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There is some tonal whiplash in this movie. Again its meant to be a more lighthearted, popcorn esque romp which is fine, but there are a few really serious moments that are hard to shift from. The most prominent is when the Skulll refugees lose their home and many of them die in the evacuation. We go from that to basically a disney singalong in the span of 10 minutes. And the disney singalong actually worked in plot and was quite fun...but yeah literally right after we just watching people dying is a bit toooo much. I feel like this is the kind of movie where they should have saved everyone, yes the skrulls lose their home, but everyone makes it out....keeping more with the tone this movie was trying to set.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It doesn't integrate well with Secret Invasion. The Nick Fury we saw in SI doesn't seem to be the same Fury we get in this movie, and a LOT happened to Fury in SI. Further, the idea that Asgard is taking on more skrull refugees, at a time when Earth has declared total war on them....without even a mention of that....is a problem. I honestly think it was due to all the scheduling changes and reshoots for both productions that it got lost in the shuffle.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">While the screentime the villain gets is well used, it is painfully little. By the end I don't even know if they ever said her name. She really never comes across as menacing and will likely enter the club of completely forgettable marvel villains.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The movie is too short. That's a surprising critique as I feel so many marvel properties push past their expiration date. But yeah I really wanted more in this movie. They hit all the checkboxes, but nothing has time to breathe. I wanted more time with the villain, more time with the main trio dealing with their relationships and interactions. I was buying what they were selling, and I wanted to buy more.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The one "so incompetent its almost murder" moment in the movie is when the swaps start happening, and Carol is trying to force a swap with Ms Marvel....so she flies high into the sky and then releases a burst of power. And it works....and now Ms Marvel (who cannot fly) starts plummeting to the ground. Of course they save her....barely...but it was such a weirdly hotheaded moment for Carol. It actually felt like the OG Carol, not this new carol that we then see has learned some restraint, humility, and care from her decades of experience.</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 9189327, member: 5889"] Saw it last night myself. Here's the skinny. [B]The Quick Summary: [/B]Its a fun popcorn kind of movie, and if that's what your in the market for, its fun and I enjoyed it. I think its a notable improvement from the first Captain Marvel. [B]The Good[/B] [LIST] [*]The story fixes a lot of the perceived issues with Captain Marvel herself. This version is a lot more human, more expressive, with real concerns, drives, and pains. She has seen some real consequences of her actions and has lost some of that arrogance from her first couple of appearances. Bree Larson got to be unchained a bit and brought out a character who is still trying to find her old self (stolen by the Kree), and so you can see moments where the others pull emotions out of her that she at first glance doesn't want to be bothered with but inside so desperately wants to express. Again this Captain Marvel is a lot more relatable and interesting than what we have gotten before. [*]Girl Power without Woke Power. This was a woman focused movie that was just "matter of fact" about it. It was women supporting each other, learning to grow into their own power, and doing what needed to be done in the face of great adversity. There was no "messaging" in this movie, it was never "down with the patriarchy". But on the other hand it wasn't "women substituted in men's role". These women supported each other with hugs and play in a way that you would never see 3 male superheroes doing....and it was perfect. Nothing felt forced in the way this movie went on. [*]Ms Marvel is always a delight to me, though I recognize she is not everyone's cup of tea. I love the character, I love the actress, and I thought her parts were very well done. [*]They balanced Carol's power in the narrative well to me. Your immediate problem with Captain Marvel is....how do you ensure she doesn't just win? And I think they struck a good balance in the movie, on the one hand when she is nerfed...its because it made narrative sense and wasn't just "well she's just weirdly weak right now". On the other hand they didn't just pull her out of her own movie to prevent her from winning (similar to how they had to handle her in IW/Endgame). [*]This villain gets more rationale and justification to her actions in 3 minutes of screentime than most marvel villains get in their entire movie. You get her, and from her perspective, Captain Marvel is a natural disaster, a monster that destroyed her people and her home (and even Carol has to deal with the idea that she might be right). If she didn't specifically go with the revenge angle and target planets Carol cares about...you could really see her point of view. In fact there is even a very small and subtle scene that shows that this villain doesn't have ego, she is 100% willing to die to save her world. [/LIST] [B]The Bad[/B] [LIST] [*]There is some tonal whiplash in this movie. Again its meant to be a more lighthearted, popcorn esque romp which is fine, but there are a few really serious moments that are hard to shift from. The most prominent is when the Skulll refugees lose their home and many of them die in the evacuation. We go from that to basically a disney singalong in the span of 10 minutes. And the disney singalong actually worked in plot and was quite fun...but yeah literally right after we just watching people dying is a bit toooo much. I feel like this is the kind of movie where they should have saved everyone, yes the skrulls lose their home, but everyone makes it out....keeping more with the tone this movie was trying to set. [*]It doesn't integrate well with Secret Invasion. The Nick Fury we saw in SI doesn't seem to be the same Fury we get in this movie, and a LOT happened to Fury in SI. Further, the idea that Asgard is taking on more skrull refugees, at a time when Earth has declared total war on them....without even a mention of that....is a problem. I honestly think it was due to all the scheduling changes and reshoots for both productions that it got lost in the shuffle. [*]While the screentime the villain gets is well used, it is painfully little. By the end I don't even know if they ever said her name. She really never comes across as menacing and will likely enter the club of completely forgettable marvel villains. [*]The movie is too short. That's a surprising critique as I feel so many marvel properties push past their expiration date. But yeah I really wanted more in this movie. They hit all the checkboxes, but nothing has time to breathe. I wanted more time with the villain, more time with the main trio dealing with their relationships and interactions. I was buying what they were selling, and I wanted to buy more. [*]The one "so incompetent its almost murder" moment in the movie is when the swaps start happening, and Carol is trying to force a swap with Ms Marvel....so she flies high into the sky and then releases a burst of power. And it works....and now Ms Marvel (who cannot fly) starts plummeting to the ground. Of course they save her....barely...but it was such a weirdly hotheaded moment for Carol. It actually felt like the OG Carol, not this new carol that we then see has learned some restraint, humility, and care from her decades of experience. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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