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<blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 4198402" data-attributes="member: 94">Look, this is very simple. Take your 4e character and walk into the first room in the dungeon. Can you or can you not, if you so choose, use everything you've got? Burn through your dailies, burn through your per encounters, and then burn through your at-will.I don't CARE whether or not &quot;going nova&quot; in 4e means you'll be at 0% or 75% in the next encounter. It's irrelevant. CR/EL has no frakkin clue how many encounters you have already had, nor does it have any clue when the party is going to decide to retire for the day.When you see &quot;EL5&quot; printed in the module, the ONLY thing that number purports to be reflective of is a fresh party. It purports to be quantifiable, and, with a fresh party, it largely is. (Mostly at low level. And as long as you have a largely homogenous group of creatures. And as long as they don't outnumber the PCs by more than 4 to 1 or so... But I digress.)Do you, as the DM, know that it is going to be tougher if the party is worn down? Yes you do. But no longer in a quantifiable way.Do you, as a DM, have any actual mechanics, any tools at all, for interpreting what EL5 means after 1, 2, 3, or 6 encounters? No. Tell me:What is the CR of an orc?What is the CR of an orc if he appears in the 2nd encounter of the day?The third?The fourth?Is this a math thread, or a thread for parroting back the &quot;common wisdom&quot; or the &quot;marketing&quot; of the design?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wulf Ratbane, post: 4198402, member: 94"] Look, this is very simple. Take your 4e character and walk into the first room in the dungeon. Can you or can you not, if you so choose, use everything you've got? Burn through your dailies, burn through your per encounters, and then burn through your at-will. I don't CARE whether or not "going nova" in 4e means you'll be at 0% or 75% in the [i]next[/i] encounter. It's irrelevant. CR/EL has [i]no frakkin clue[/i] how many encounters you have already had, nor does it have any clue when the party is going to decide to retire for the day. When you see "EL5" printed in the module, the ONLY thing that number purports to be reflective of is a fresh party. It purports to be quantifiable, and, with a fresh party, it largely is. (Mostly at low level. And as long as you have a largely homogenous group of creatures. And as long as they don't outnumber the PCs by more than 4 to 1 or so... But I digress.) Do you, as the DM, know that it is going to be tougher if the party is worn down? Yes you do. But no longer in a quantifiable way. Do you, as a DM, have any actual mechanics, any tools at all, for interpreting what EL5 means after 1, 2, 3, or 6 encounters? No. Tell me: What is the CR of an orc? What is the CR of an orc if he appears in the 2nd encounter of the day? The third? The fourth? Is this a math thread, or a thread for parroting back the "common wisdom" or the "marketing" of the design? [/QUOTE]

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