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<blockquote data-quote="arscott" data-source="post: 4199380" data-attributes="member: 17969">Okay, Wulf.&nbsp; Fine.Let's get out out compass and ruler.Whip up a party of characters.&nbsp; Ideally somewhere in the sweet spot, where they've got enough spells/abilities/whatever that they can meaningfully &quot;go nova&quot;, but before the asymmetric show up and throw everything out of whack.Then pit them up against a monster of equivalent CR.&nbsp; Don't conserve any resources--Go all out, nova, no such thing as overkill, etc.Now take those same characters but instead of having them start fresh, have them start with half resources--spells, HP, and so forth. Then play them conservatively, as if you expect to fight another encounter after this one.Now, I don't have a high enough Wisdom score to cast Divination, but I'm guessing that one of those will be a fun, thrilling combat, and one will be a boring cakewalk.The most basic definition of CR is that &quot;A single CR X monster is an appropriate challenge for a party of level X&quot;.&nbsp; Now maybe you and I have a different definition of &quot;appropriate challenge&quot;, but I lean towards &quot;fun and thrilling&quot; rather than &quot;boringly easy&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="arscott, post: 4199380, member: 17969"] Okay, Wulf. Fine. Let's get out out compass and ruler. Whip up a party of characters. Ideally somewhere in the sweet spot, where they've got enough spells/abilities/whatever that they can meaningfully "go nova", but before the asymmetric show up and throw everything out of whack. Then pit them up against a monster of equivalent CR. Don't conserve any resources--Go all out, nova, no such thing as overkill, etc. Now take those same characters but instead of having them start fresh, have them start with half resources--spells, HP, and so forth. Then play them conservatively, as if you expect to fight another encounter after this one. Now, I don't have a high enough Wisdom score to cast [I]Divination[/I], but I'm guessing that one of those will be a fun, thrilling combat, and one will be a boring cakewalk. The most basic definition of CR is that "A single CR X monster is an appropriate challenge for a party of level X". Now maybe you and I have a different definition of "appropriate challenge", but I lean towards "fun and thrilling" rather than "boringly easy". [/QUOTE]

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