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<blockquote data-quote="Victim" data-source="post: 4201845" data-attributes="member: 78">I've read an account of 4 first level PCs losing (pretty handily, IIRC) to a solo succubus, so I'm not sure that numbers prove so overwhelming.&nbsp; On the other hand, both of the devil's main tricks are assymetric.&nbsp; The Angel of Valor has Resistances and high defenses (especially when unbloodied), so the cleric is pretty useless offensively and the paladin isn't much better.&nbsp; It's At-Will power gives it two attacks.&nbsp; It does have an area attack, but only as an encounter power.&nbsp; I don't really expect it to go down easily against first level characters either, despite fitting into their encounter XP budget.Area attacks also tend to diminish the impact of numbers, as was mentioned.&nbsp; Half of the pregen characters do have multitarget powers: Cleave and Passing Strike for the Fighter, the Ranger's daily can hit 2 targets, the wizard has lots of AoE).&nbsp; The cleric also has an area power, but only turn undead. The paladin usually gets extra defense when outnumbered.So it seems like Lanchester's law is being taken account in the design of characters and monsters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Victim, post: 4201845, member: 78"] I've read an account of 4 first level PCs losing (pretty handily, IIRC) to a solo succubus, so I'm not sure that numbers prove so overwhelming. On the other hand, both of the devil's main tricks are assymetric. The Angel of Valor has Resistances and high defenses (especially when unbloodied), so the cleric is pretty useless offensively and the paladin isn't much better. It's At-Will power gives it two attacks. It does have an area attack, but only as an encounter power. I don't really expect it to go down easily against first level characters either, despite fitting into their encounter XP budget. Area attacks also tend to diminish the impact of numbers, as was mentioned. Half of the pregen characters do have multitarget powers: Cleave and Passing Strike for the Fighter, the Ranger's daily can hit 2 targets, the wizard has lots of AoE). The cleric also has an area power, but only turn undead. The paladin usually gets extra defense when outnumbered. So it seems like Lanchester's law is being taken account in the design of characters and monsters. [/QUOTE]

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