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<blockquote data-quote="fearsomepirate" data-source="post: 8228183" data-attributes="member: 7021420"><p>Yes. A Grappled creature can't stand back up. Shove -> Grapple is a popular combo with more melee-focused parties, as it grants everyone advantage.</p><p></p><p>I'm not going to go through this point-by-point, but I did read your whole reply. I'll summarize what I see as the major oversights:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><strong>Depending on party composition, if you find a way to grant advantage to the whole party, the Marilith lasts less than two rounds</strong>. So, if you take something like Otto's Irresistible Dance, sure, the Marilith can burn its action to have an ~80% chance of saving out it. At that point, it may be down to double-digit HP already. If it bombed initiative, it might already be dead. So all of your talk about whether this spell is worth a full ten rounds or whatever is missing the point; the combat doesn't last that long. To high-level martials, especially with advantage, 189 HP is nothing.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><strong>High-level casters have plenty of slots</strong>. If you didn't get a full ten rounds out of a buff, so what? Cast it again later. Slots really aren't a big problem at high level.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><strong>I'm assuming intelligent players</strong>. That is, I'm assuming any real-world player is taking into account party composition after the roughly 1 year or more it takes to ever be fighting a Marilith. Yeah, obviously, if your party is one melee guy + 3 ranged guys, they're not going to use the Grapple + Prone trick. Obviously, you don't use Polymorph on your most powerful melee ally. Obviously, if you are using Tenser's Transformation, you aren't rushing into the marilith's face with 8 STR and a mundane longsword. I don't think things like that need to be said.</li> </ol><p>Also:</p><p>-Wall of Light's damage is automatic if you end your turn in it; no save.</p><p>-Tenser's Transformation works with ranged weapons</p><p></p><p>Mistake on my end:</p><p>-T-Rex restraining bite doesn't work on large creatures; a marilith is large. Don't use Polymorph to fight a marilith.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fearsomepirate, post: 8228183, member: 7021420"] Yes. A Grappled creature can't stand back up. Shove -> Grapple is a popular combo with more melee-focused parties, as it grants everyone advantage. I'm not going to go through this point-by-point, but I did read your whole reply. I'll summarize what I see as the major oversights: [LIST=1] [*][B]Depending on party composition, if you find a way to grant advantage to the whole party, the Marilith lasts less than two rounds[/B]. So, if you take something like Otto's Irresistible Dance, sure, the Marilith can burn its action to have an ~80% chance of saving out it. At that point, it may be down to double-digit HP already. If it bombed initiative, it might already be dead. So all of your talk about whether this spell is worth a full ten rounds or whatever is missing the point; the combat doesn't last that long. To high-level martials, especially with advantage, 189 HP is nothing. [*][B]High-level casters have plenty of slots[/B]. If you didn't get a full ten rounds out of a buff, so what? Cast it again later. Slots really aren't a big problem at high level. [*][B]I'm assuming intelligent players[/B]. That is, I'm assuming any real-world player is taking into account party composition after the roughly 1 year or more it takes to ever be fighting a Marilith. Yeah, obviously, if your party is one melee guy + 3 ranged guys, they're not going to use the Grapple + Prone trick. Obviously, you don't use Polymorph on your most powerful melee ally. Obviously, if you are using Tenser's Transformation, you aren't rushing into the marilith's face with 8 STR and a mundane longsword. I don't think things like that need to be said. [/LIST] Also: -Wall of Light's damage is automatic if you end your turn in it; no save. -Tenser's Transformation works with ranged weapons Mistake on my end: -T-Rex restraining bite doesn't work on large creatures; a marilith is large. Don't use Polymorph to fight a marilith. [/QUOTE]
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