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<blockquote data-quote="Man in the Funny Hat" data-source="post: 6058190" data-attributes="member: 32740">If we can take the statements Agent Smith was making as being, in fact, TRUE, then he did say that &quot;entire crops were lost&quot; in the first few/several attempts at the Matrix.&nbsp; The situation in the trilogy of &quot;start-run-inevitable fatal crash-start again&quot; was intially an indeterminate number of failures to even get that convoluted sequence to RUN - all because human brains refused to accept a &quot;perfect world&quot; which the machines were giving them in the matrix.I don't think the machines were TRYING to kill everyone periodically, but if Smith isn't lying then that was nonetheless what was happening.&nbsp; It seems safe to assume that the number of survivors from original humanity is zero.&nbsp; I don't recall it being said where the VAST numbers of humans plugged into the matrix actually originally came from but I sort of assume they were being cloned or at least created in vitro by harvesting the necessary baby-making stuff from men and women plugged into the matrix.&nbsp; Nobody in the matrix was born by natural intercourse - they were all plugged in at some point as babies but the babies had to have been grown by the machines.&nbsp; Even if you assume that Smith doesn't LITERALLY mean THE ENTIRE CROP you have to assume that the odds of any original non-machine gestated human surviving repeated crop losses even before the repeated cycle of complete destruction of Zion is zero.&nbsp; Any original, truly organic human will have aged and died leaving only machine-gestated humans to be grown as a new crop.That means that you are left with a philosphical question regarding the true &quot;humanity&quot; of any homo sapiens still living on the planet Earth and to very offensively borrow a phrase - kill all you want, we'll make more - does sort of come into play.&nbsp; It becomes easier to justify killing an innocent, albeit machine-created human, especially when the machines WILL kill those humans instantaneously by turning them into Agents simply to stop the free humans stomping around in the matrix.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Man in the Funny Hat, post: 6058190, member: 32740"] If we can take the statements Agent Smith was making as being, in fact, TRUE, then he did say that "entire crop[U]s[/U] were lost" in the first few/several attempts at the Matrix. The situation in the trilogy of "start-[U]run[/U]-inevitable fatal crash-start again" was intially an indeterminate number of failures to even get that convoluted sequence to RUN - all because human brains refused to accept a "perfect world" which the machines were giving them in the matrix. I don't think the machines were TRYING to kill everyone periodically, but if Smith isn't lying then that was nonetheless what was happening. It seems safe to assume that the number of survivors from original humanity is zero. I don't recall it being said where the VAST numbers of humans plugged into the matrix actually originally came from but I sort of assume they were being cloned or at least created[I] in vitro[/I] by harvesting the necessary baby-making stuff from men and women plugged into the matrix. Nobody in the matrix was born by natural intercourse - they were all plugged in at some point as babies but the babies had to have been grown by the machines. Even if you assume that Smith doesn't LITERALLY mean THE ENTIRE CROP you have to assume that the odds of any original non-machine gestated human surviving repeated crop losses even before the repeated cycle of complete destruction of Zion is zero. Any original, truly organic human will have aged and died leaving only machine-gestated humans to be grown as a new crop. That means that you are left with a philosphical question regarding the true "humanity" of any homo sapiens still living on the planet Earth and to very offensively borrow a phrase - kill all you want, we'll make more - does sort of come into play. It becomes easier to justify killing an innocent, albeit machine-created human, especially when the machines WILL kill those humans instantaneously by turning them into Agents simply to stop the free humans stomping around in the matrix. [/QUOTE]

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