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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mac Callum" data-source="post: 1842192" data-attributes="member: 17035">Hmmmm...This is pretty much how I feel.  When I'm designing a multi-class character with spellcasting levels, it's usually spellcaster1/otherX or vice versa.  I might take one level of fighter or barbarian for a cleric PC to get the weapons and Feat/Rage, or I might take one level of Wizard for my fighter or rogue so I can  use spell-trigger items.  You have so specialize in a class to remain competetive with the CR system.A good multi-class system should allow low level spells to remain useful in mid-to-high level adventures.  As it is, a Wiz4/Ftr10 going against a CR-14 monster might as well just be a Wiz1/Ftr10 with a couple extra HP.  Those extra Wiz levels are only marginally useful.What I think would be ideal is a spellcasting system (and spell selection) that would allow us to recreate the classes that are just combinations of two others (e.g., Pal=Ftr+Clr; Brd=Sor+Rog) solely through multiclassing.  Although everyone says the Bard sucks, they don't suck so bad I never see people play them.  People also play Paladins and Rangers (Dru+Ftr) quite often.  Bards, Rangers, and Paladins are surely played more often than equally distributed MC spellcasters.  Therefore, they make a good target to design towards.What if Ftr/Bar/Rogues have access to unique spell-lists and magical abilities, but they have to take levels of Wiz/Dru/Sor/Clr to unlock them?  For example, a 2nd level spell that adds a +1 per 6 character levels to a on top weapon's "normal" magical enhancement bonus would be (mostly) useless to a straight Wizard, but great for the Wiz4/Ftr10.  Add some spells to the Sor list that deal with music, but require levels of Ftr, Bar, or Rog to unlock, and you've got several flavors of Poet-Warrior/Bard/Skald.Probably too complex, huh?  From Wizard's pov, it would probably take up too many pages in a PHB too.  It also change Prestige Classes a lot.  They would be replaced by lists of new abilities unlocked by different Core class combos.Well, that's just one idea - but I think the goal of a system that can recreate Paladins and Rangers with MC spellcaster characters is a good ball to keep your eye on.</blockquote>

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