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Message: <blockquote data-quote="hong" data-source="post: 1842469" data-attributes="member: 537">No. I mean adventuring, as in killing monsters and taking their stuff. This can take place underground, in the wilderness, in a tower, on another plane, or wherever. The point is that the rules are designed to facilitate violence as the prime activity, and most people will play it that way.Yes. Notice that the consensus is that bards suck.Are you kidding me?Not really. The ranger is basically a light fighter with wilderness abilities thrown in. It's essentially a hybrid class, and suffers from the problem of hybrid classes having to be played in a special manner to get the most out of them. That said, from what I've seen, a ranger is perfectly viable in a combat-heavy campaign; just don't expect them to be a replacement for a full plate-wearing tank.Yes. Notice the large number of people who also say that monks suck.Try 2 1/2 out of 11. In any case, how is this supposed to justify rules on multiclassing that also fail to meet the design goal?Correct. That's why you have wimpy classes like the bard, to keep the drama queens happy.This is a furphy.1) A multiclassed cleric/wizard may not be specialised, but they are also far _less_ flexible than either a single-classed cleric or a single-classed wizard. It doesn't matter how many bulls strength, spider climb or invisibility spells you can cast, it doesn't make up for not having dim door, divination, contact other plane, wind walk, teleport, planar ally/binding, etc. Notice that the semi-regular complaints you hear about spellcasters breaking games refer to high-level spells, not low-level ones. And that's not even mentioning the 9th level cheese.2) D&D is a game designed for a team, not an individual PC. A group that has access to a single-classed cleric and a single-classed wizard will be able to meet a much greater variety of challenges than if they have two cleric/wizards, for the reason stated above.Non sequitur. You can have non-problematic multiclassing rules, and still have flexibility in what sorts of games you run. In fact, since any proposed fixes to the rules would have the effect of making multiclassed PCs stronger, they could only _add_ to the flexibility of the ruleset, not detract from it.</blockquote>

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