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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack7" data-source="post: 5764948" data-attributes="member: 54707">That's an interesting statement I could read in 3 different ways, though I think I know what you're shooting at.There are no good riot or crowd control non-lethals or less than lethals. Because in large groups of peoples the military, police, or any peace-keepers cannot possibly know the physical disposition or positional disposition of everyone in a crowd (especially a fluid one) and so the peacekeepers can only weigh the situation as they perceive it.If a crowd is causing mayhem, committing arson, or  endangering the local population or peace then peacekeepers have to decide if  the use of NLs and LTLs will suppress the general violence, or possibly increase  it by causing a stampede or some other panic reaction.   All the peacekeepers can do is assess and decide each  circumstance based on the best available information. It will, in my opinion, be  a very long time (if ever) before there is anything like a generally and  consistently effective NL or LTL Weapon's system for Crowd Control.   One things weapon developers could do is try to tie  their systems to good information gathering and communications systems that  would give them better analytical and assessment data on any given situation, or  that might let them divide riot areas into grids of high violence, moderate  violence, and low violence.    Then act quickly against areas of high violence,  encircle and suppress areas of moderate violence (with a more moderate  response), and ignore or merely monitor areas of low violence. In most riots and  unruly crowds there is a relatively small number of actively violent individuals  and small groups involved in physical and criminal incidents.    Target those effectively and you will quickly suppress  the overall violence levels of the unruly mob. Good Intel gathering undercover  teams and equipment and communications will allow you to discriminate quickly  and effectively. Also a really good (and I know this is some time off as well)  Non-lethal Sniping system would be ideal for such situations.   But again anything used against a crowd is potentially  far more likely to cause unintended harm than a system deployed against a single  individual, or small group of individuals, that you can observe  beforehand.   I know a lot of people think the NL and LTL systems true  effectiveness will depend on exactly what it does, but in my opinion exactly  what it does will be far more effective, and far less dangerous overall, if it  is employed as part of a good information warfare system as well.</blockquote>

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