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<blockquote data-quote="KenNYC" data-source="post: 7483274" data-attributes="member: 6791261">The best safeguard against min maxing is a DM who will not let himself be pushed around.&nbsp;&nbsp; Two weeks ago I was DMing and the party was in a forest and they were clearly not alone.&nbsp; &nbsp; The Paladin discovered the crude implication of footprints (squashed grass in a roughly one foot shape) and decided he wanted to know if he could see if it was human, dwarf, orcs or something else, and did he see&nbsp; if there were multiple people walking.&quot;are you a Ranger who spent years tracking?&quot;&quot;No&quot;&quot;Then how would you know these things?&quot;End of tracking attempt, no die roll needed, no check, no nothing.&nbsp;&nbsp; It made no sense so I was not going to let him apply all his min maxed plusses nonsense to a die roll.&nbsp;&nbsp; The Warlock tried to tell me he was an expert lock picker.&nbsp; I don't care how he configured his sheet, I asked him what in his warlock training would possibly lead to expert lockpicking skills.&nbsp;&nbsp; There was no answer because there is no answer.&nbsp; &nbsp; Throw those plusses in the garbage and start thinking of an in narrative answer to your problem.&nbsp; &nbsp; That solved all min maxing problems at the table and the players then went on to enjoy a session with almost no dice rolling but heavy on narrative.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KenNYC, post: 7483274, member: 6791261"] The best safeguard against min maxing is a DM who will not let himself be pushed around. Two weeks ago I was DMing and the party was in a forest and they were clearly not alone. The Paladin discovered the crude implication of footprints (squashed grass in a roughly one foot shape) and decided he wanted to know if he could see if it was human, dwarf, orcs or something else, and did he see if there were multiple people walking. "are you a Ranger who spent years tracking?" "No" "Then how would you know these things?" End of tracking attempt, no die roll needed, no check, no nothing. It made no sense so I was not going to let him apply all his min maxed plusses nonsense to a die roll. The Warlock tried to tell me he was an expert lock picker. I don't care how he configured his sheet, I asked him what in his warlock training would possibly lead to expert lockpicking skills. There was no answer because there is no answer. Throw those plusses in the garbage and start thinking of an in narrative answer to your problem. That solved all min maxing problems at the table and the players then went on to enjoy a session with almost no dice rolling but heavy on narrative. [/QUOTE]

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