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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 8012759" data-attributes="member: 63508"><p>My answer is "it depends on their subtype". The wild animal owlbear would be a beast and subject to a druid or rangers magic. The magical owlbear would be a monstority and be immune as they have 2 different halves of animal brains struggling for control. It's crazy and your level 1 animal charm wont work.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's why to me, they should act like people. A minotaur who wear pants and brews beer isn't a monstrosity or monstrous humanoid. It's a humanoid (minotaur). It's a person with a bull head.</p><p></p><p>Now the crazy giant bullheaded savage who eats children and needs to be trapped in a maze? That's a monstrosity. It's brain is a fusion of cattle and man and it wasn't clean. It's a monster created by a god with a brain unlike a man</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wasn't even going to that level yet. I was going to the top where beings of the same type function in the same way. Culture, age, and experince might change how they think but barring mental illness, their brains work the same.</p><p></p><p>But a beast and a humanoid think different. A dog wont think like a man. Even if you cast awaken on the dog, it would be just a smart dog. An awaken cat would still think the house is actually theirs but now they can go get the paperwork filled out under your nose.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A silver dragon swarmkeeper ranger but the bees are actuaally human paladins.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 8012759, member: 63508"] My answer is "it depends on their subtype". The wild animal owlbear would be a beast and subject to a druid or rangers magic. The magical owlbear would be a monstority and be immune as they have 2 different halves of animal brains struggling for control. It's crazy and your level 1 animal charm wont work. That's why to me, they should act like people. A minotaur who wear pants and brews beer isn't a monstrosity or monstrous humanoid. It's a humanoid (minotaur). It's a person with a bull head. Now the crazy giant bullheaded savage who eats children and needs to be trapped in a maze? That's a monstrosity. It's brain is a fusion of cattle and man and it wasn't clean. It's a monster created by a god with a brain unlike a man I wasn't even going to that level yet. I was going to the top where beings of the same type function in the same way. Culture, age, and experince might change how they think but barring mental illness, their brains work the same. But a beast and a humanoid think different. A dog wont think like a man. Even if you cast awaken on the dog, it would be just a smart dog. An awaken cat would still think the house is actually theirs but now they can go get the paperwork filled out under your nose. A silver dragon swarmkeeper ranger but the bees are actuaally human paladins. [/QUOTE]
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