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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pour" data-source="post: 5780477" data-attributes="member: 59411">I think you deny other magical and supernatural classes some of the cleric's miraculous stuff, and not just the healing and raise dead, but evocative, non-utility, frankly desirable things- plagues, divine summons, golem construction, a fair number of rituals, some evangelical and terrain-changing stuff, a little augury, etc. Maybe there needs to be a better distribution of power, largely taking from the magic-users and the Arcane power source. Wizards simply get too much, in my opinion. I agree the 4e Cleric was the right direction, a true holy fighting man, and also the Invoker and Avenger, which took the Divine power source toward prophets delivering miracles/maledictions and the holy assassin/inquisitor respectively, which I think are unique, Divine-specific ground. I'd roll Paladin into this, too, the holy knight which really stands on its own as uniquely divine and pretty much a mainstay. I think the DM also has to play a roll in this, providing the clerical structure of the world, the churches, the followers, and allow the cleric to come into his own both terrestrially and spiritually- eventually being enlisted in plots of wider and wider divine scope, or else establishing his religion or beliefs across the setting. This extends, also, to opposing religions, and opposing ideologies within the very same religion. All of that touches ground magic-users simply cannot cover, and which are fun, engaging, and sometimes delve into some really poignant moral and spiritual play.</blockquote>

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