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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 4370247" data-attributes="member: 5202">Fight for freedom and liberty, sounds "good" to me.Actually it's fight Lolth specifically.  Patron of beauty, the arts and those who view magic as an art.  That all sounds erlatively neutral to me, minus the "kill Lolth" bit <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Uhm...where do you get that?  Untamed nature, wild and calm...this all speaks of balance and the indiscriminant ways of nature.  Definitely unaligned.Glory and renown need no alignment and he's another nature sort of god like Melora, specifically for storms.  Judges worship Erathis.  Judges are supposed to be unbiased.  The law doesn't care if you are a pauper or filthy rich, you are all subject to its impartial nature.  Moradin...ok they wanted a 2nd LG god <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  Guardians and protectors have good shots at being eitehr good or lawful, maybe both.Talked about Kord already, but isn't valor another word for glory?  Bahamut has always been LG and the description is accurate for him.Alleviate suffering, kindness and compassion, kill undead and be watchful against evil.  Sounds good.  Death is another neutral party like nature.  Undeath is unnatural and to be abolished, much like Melora wants Aberrations killed.Knowledge can be used for good or evil and has no inherent alignment of its own, it all depends how it is used.  Veca of course works actively against everything Ioun stands for, so keep his guys in check.I guess I'll take the arguing part up for ya <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  I think you're right about alignments and their place in the game tho.  Kinda seems like they had removed them entirely even maybe and decided that was one hamburger they would get lynched for serving.  LG and CE are just too iconic for them to get rid of so they kept them and basically anything that wasn't pretty screamingly biased became unaligned.  Which makes sense to me given the way it is spread now.  Alignment is a series of points on a single line, not the traditional cross-section.Maybe we just need the Donnie Darko alignment system heh.EDIT:Wow 3 responses while I was typing mine up <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I completely agree.  I loved the lack of alignment in AE</blockquote>

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