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<blockquote data-quote="pdzoch" data-source="post: 6941883" data-attributes="member: 80982">I&nbsp; like the phrase &quot;until you open your mouth.&quot; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The Comeliness score is an interesting aspect that shows up a couple of time on this thread.&nbsp; Comeliness would address the different facet of charisma that is often used as the overriding aspect.&nbsp; It parallels the use of constitution to parse out a different type of strength from the strength score (ability to endure versus ability to lift/ &quot;intestinal fortitude&quot; versus physical prowess).I think one of the reasons it was not included is because comeliness is so subjective (Beauty is in the eye of the beholder).&nbsp; The ability scores are not so subjective.&nbsp; Sure, I suppose the affect of a strength check could be achieve by either raw physical power (big muscles), efficiency (honed body through training) or by technique such as leveraging (kinesiology), but the effect of the ability score was nevertheless consistent.&nbsp; There is no expectation that the STR 18 character had to be of a Conan type build, and seldom are monk characters portrayed as large and muscular prototypical barbarian builds.&nbsp; None of the ability scores are required to limit how a character is described.&nbsp; I recall long ago that certain races in the game has certain limits on ability scores, but that is no longer the case.&nbsp; Players are much more free to describe the character as they wish. But that charisma score sure does tend to reflect comeliness of a description more often than the Rasputin like presence.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pdzoch, post: 6941883, member: 80982"] I like the phrase "until you open your mouth." :) The Comeliness score is an interesting aspect that shows up a couple of time on this thread. Comeliness would address the different facet of charisma that is often used as the overriding aspect. It parallels the use of constitution to parse out a different type of strength from the strength score (ability to endure versus ability to lift/ "intestinal fortitude" versus physical prowess). I think one of the reasons it was not included is because comeliness is so subjective (Beauty is in the eye of the beholder). The ability scores are not so subjective. Sure, I suppose the affect of a strength check could be achieve by either raw physical power (big muscles), efficiency (honed body through training) or by technique such as leveraging (kinesiology), but the effect of the ability score was nevertheless consistent. There is no expectation that the STR 18 character had to be of a Conan type build, and seldom are monk characters portrayed as large and muscular prototypical barbarian builds. None of the ability scores are required to limit how a character is described. I recall long ago that certain races in the game has certain limits on ability scores, but that is no longer the case. Players are much more free to describe the character as they wish. But that charisma score sure does tend to reflect comeliness of a description more often than the Rasputin like presence. [/QUOTE]

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