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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6942129" data-attributes="member: 996">Yes.&nbsp; Not extremely prominent, but they were retained from 4e.That has been a common misunderstanding, and, as giant a call-back to the glory days as 5e might intentionally be, I'm surprised to hear of anyone having that issue at this late date.&nbsp; Way back when, EGG trotted out an optional 'Comeliness' score to emphasize that CHA was not looks.&nbsp; CHA &lt;&gt; looks is as done a deal as THAC0 (or DISC0) being dead or female fighters not having a lower STR cap than male ones.&nbsp; Just a head-shaker footnote from the game's goofy past.There are different styles and strategies of leadership, yes.&nbsp; A leader might get by on knowledge &amp; meticulous planning (INT) or delegation, insight, &amp; emotional support (WIS).IMHX, and to my disappointment, gamers seem inclined to RP low-CHA characters as gruff and offensive, which gets across the 'not so good at social,' but doesn't really indicate the strength-of-personality issue.&nbsp; You can be very charismatic, and use that to offend and intimidate people rather than make them 'like' you, for instance.&nbsp; A low-CHA character might more properly come off as a non-entity or as lacking competence (actually just not expressing confidence).Even more frustratingly, and perhaps this has something to do with nerd culture, I consistently see players portraying their high-CHA characters as insufferable jerks, like they're all kappa-eta-alpha* frat-boys or something.*no offense if that's a real fraternity (no more offense than I intended to give to frats in general, that is), it's just the closest I could think of to C-H-A.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6942129, member: 996"] Yes. Not extremely prominent, but they were retained from 4e. That has been a common misunderstanding, and, as giant a call-back to the glory days as 5e might intentionally be, I'm surprised to hear of anyone having that issue at this late date. Way back when, EGG trotted out an optional 'Comeliness' score to emphasize that CHA was not looks. CHA <> looks is as done a deal as THAC0 (or DISC0) being dead or female fighters not having a lower STR cap than male ones. Just a head-shaker footnote from the game's goofy past. There are different styles and strategies of leadership, yes. A leader might get by on knowledge & meticulous planning (INT) or delegation, insight, & emotional support (WIS). IMHX, and to my disappointment, gamers seem inclined to RP low-CHA characters as gruff and offensive, which gets across the 'not so good at social,' but doesn't really indicate the strength-of-personality issue. You can be very charismatic, and use that to offend and intimidate people rather than make them 'like' you, for instance. A low-CHA character might more properly come off as a non-entity or as lacking competence (actually just not expressing confidence). Even more frustratingly, and perhaps this has something to do with nerd culture, I consistently see players portraying their high-CHA characters as insufferable jerks, like they're all kappa-eta-alpha* frat-boys or something. *no offense if that's a real fraternity (no more offense than I intended to give to frats in general, that is), it's just the closest I could think of to C-H-A. [/QUOTE]

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