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<blockquote data-quote="WarpedAcorn" data-source="post: 6942184" data-attributes="member: 6819400">Its been an incredibly long time since I've heard anyone use Charisma as a reflection of physical beauty in D&amp;D. Does that even still happen??? Plus, with almost 1/2 of the base classes utilizing Charisma as a Primary or Secondary stat (including arguably the most popular classes of Warlock and Paladin), its hard to find a group that truly finds the Cha ability to be a &quot;dump stat&quot;. Regarding the quote above, I use Charisma and Charisma-based abilities to determine how well the message is conveyed, but the message still matters. What I mean is that when Persuading, Intimidating, or Deceiving, as a DM I am setting the DC based on what the player is saying and doing. Their ability roll then determines how well they expressed themselves, how convincing they were, and how charismatic they were. As for the leader having the highest Charisma...it makes sense, but doesn't always play out that way. Usually the &quot;strongest&quot; or most &quot;decisive&quot; character takes the leader roll, and the &quot;Face&quot; player is called up similarly to how your nimblest player is called up to open a lock.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WarpedAcorn, post: 6942184, member: 6819400"] Its been an incredibly long time since I've heard anyone use Charisma as a reflection of physical beauty in D&D. Does that even still happen??? Plus, with almost 1/2 of the base classes utilizing Charisma as a Primary or Secondary stat (including arguably the most popular classes of Warlock and Paladin), its hard to find a group that truly finds the Cha ability to be a "dump stat". Regarding the quote above, I use Charisma and Charisma-based abilities to determine how well the message is conveyed, but the message still matters. What I mean is that when Persuading, Intimidating, or Deceiving, as a DM I am setting the DC based on what the player is saying and doing. Their ability roll then determines how well they expressed themselves, how convincing they were, and how charismatic they were. As for the leader having the highest Charisma...it makes sense, but doesn't always play out that way. Usually the "strongest" or most "decisive" character takes the leader roll, and the "Face" player is called up similarly to how your nimblest player is called up to open a lock. [/QUOTE]

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