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<blockquote data-quote="pdzoch" data-source="post: 6944894" data-attributes="member: 80982">My problem with the comeliness score is the subjective nature of beauty or attractiveness.&nbsp; I list both beauty and attractiveness separately because, though related, they are separate.&nbsp; As cited in many post above in this thread, there are numerous ways in which attractiveness or beauty can be represented, and they vary not only in culture and evolution but from person to person. The inevitable argument of the question &quot;Ginger or Mary Ann?&quot; comes to mind.&nbsp; Even the adolescent and patronizing attractiveness rating scale 1-10 has broad parameters. (Is he a 7, 8, or a 9? Why did she rate him a 5? etc.)&nbsp; Too many parameters to create an unneeded mechanic of an element not relevant to functional role play game.The charisma is a different factor, certainly influenced by and influencing attractiveness. I'm not sure it is as subjective, though it may have its nuances. Again, it is an ability and not just a descriptive trait. This assumes charisma to be fairly fixed and universal.&nbsp; Generally, a jerk is a jerk and is pretty much recognizable as a jerk by everyone.&nbsp; Though...... a jerk has buddies.&nbsp; So do they think he is a jerk, too, making charisma relative?&nbsp; Or do they recognize he is a jerk, but they are less affected by the negative effect of jerkiness because they are also jerks or perhaps it is just a phase a jerk is going through but his friends are tolerating it because they know his true self?Constitution and health are separate issues.&nbsp; Sure they could affect charisma, but so could intelligence, wisdom, strength, as well as a host of many other attributes not in the ability scores -- religious, wealth, social background, nice car(or horse), snappy dresser, knows how to dance, etc. But it might not. So I am not a fan of automatically making the ability scores relative to each other.I do not mind any player describing her character as pretty.&nbsp; That attractiveness can be based on anything they want it to be based on, even charisma (with my occasional eye roll). It may or may not become relevant to the story. And certainly not every NPC will find the character attractive, regardless of how they describe their character.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pdzoch, post: 6944894, member: 80982"] My problem with the comeliness score is the subjective nature of beauty or attractiveness. I list both beauty and attractiveness separately because, though related, they are separate. As cited in many post above in this thread, there are numerous ways in which attractiveness or beauty can be represented, and they vary not only in culture and evolution but from person to person. The inevitable argument of the question "Ginger or Mary Ann?" comes to mind. Even the adolescent and patronizing attractiveness rating scale 1-10 has broad parameters. (Is he a 7, 8, or a 9? Why did she rate him a 5? etc.) Too many parameters to create an unneeded mechanic of an element not relevant to functional role play game. The charisma is a different factor, certainly influenced by and influencing attractiveness. I'm not sure it is as subjective, though it may have its nuances. Again, it is an ability and not just a descriptive trait. This assumes charisma to be fairly fixed and universal. Generally, a jerk is a jerk and is pretty much recognizable as a jerk by everyone. Though...... a jerk has buddies. So do they think he is a jerk, too, making charisma relative? Or do they recognize he is a jerk, but they are less affected by the negative effect of jerkiness because they are also jerks or perhaps it is just a phase a jerk is going through but his friends are tolerating it because they know his true self? Constitution and health are separate issues. Sure they could affect charisma, but so could intelligence, wisdom, strength, as well as a host of many other attributes not in the ability scores -- religious, wealth, social background, nice car(or horse), snappy dresser, knows how to dance, etc. But it might not. So I am not a fan of automatically making the ability scores relative to each other. I do not mind any player describing her character as pretty. That attractiveness can be based on anything they want it to be based on, even charisma (with my occasional eye roll). It may or may not become relevant to the story. And certainly not every NPC will find the character attractive, regardless of how they describe their character. [/QUOTE]

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