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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Eolin" data-source="post: 1338256" data-attributes="member: 13266">"2) Paladins can't lie: This is an offshoot of the Knight's code..."Here's why this sticks around and probably should:Immanal Kant.While in the real world, ethics are going to vary from person to person and the entire field of ethics is somewhat chaotic (don't forget nobody really knowing what it is supposed to be about!), in the DnD world, there is a set morality. and when this morality is violated, it is a wrong action.I was ging to talk about 3 or four different ethical systems, but decided to stick with Kant.Kant holds that lying in any case is wrong. It is wrong not because of the outcome, but because it violates the Categorical Imperitive. In other words, Lying violates an overridding rule. For Paladins, these sorts of rules are in the eyes of the deity; if the deity holds that one should not lie, then a paladin should not lie *no matter the consequences*.for a rule-following ethic, such as Kant or Paladins, it is not the outcome that is most important, but that one follows the correct rules. The rules for Kant flow from reason, and for Paladins flow from the deity -- it is not for the Paladin to violate these rules.OK, that's enough Kant. I'll need to go wash my mouth out now... Kant makes me feel ill.</blockquote>